Oxford Vaccine approved

Galaxy

Thalidomide wasnt a vaccine.

I stand corrected on that one, I did delete but couldnt have done it properly ooops!

If you are discussing these issues it is helpful to have some accurate information.

Thalidomide wasn’t a vaccine. And everything has been tightened up since it happened because of it. Given that the vaccine has now been approved for pregnant and breast feeding women there must have been an awful lot of research done into its safety.

Thalidomide wasnt a vaccine.

Elegran

Which other vaccines specifically are you meaning?

Thalidomide for one, there are others that have caused injury to patients, the info is there on the internet. If this covid vaccine is 100% safe why are they offering £120,000 compensation for any injury caused by the vaccine?

Sparklefizz

"Having the vaccine doesn't mean vulnerable pensioners can act with 'wild abandon and go off to the bingo halls' says Deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam"

I love JVT !

Damn Van-Tam !!

That was first on my bucket list

Mimi22

Love that you have noticed that Genty, and interested that so many pass it by even when it has been highlighted. I have discovered that 'virus' has never been isolated in it's purest form and am curious what these vaccines are actually meant to be doing if that is the case. Can't see how injecting a load of some lab based concoction into my body is going to assist my body from doing what it knows best how to do, especially when the jab is being created for something that hasn't been proven. Would love to see research into how many of those sadly dying have been living on a cocktail of drugs in advance and have been suffering a multitude of side effects from them. Often drugs are given to counteract the side effects of drugs being taken and eventually our bodies give in to the stress of that. Have also been trying to find evidence of the virus being spread from person to person via coughing/spluttering/breathing over each other. Of course we have all been told that is true, probably all of our lives. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it true though. Just because you have spent your life looking in that direction doesn't mean that you can't begin to question the validity of it. Where is the actual evidence of it? Going back through the history of medicine, I have yet to find proof. So far, it isn't showing up. Now if the spread in that fashion was not true, we are all heading in the wrong direction and if it is true, that needs proving too.

It is the shut down of any questioning, refusal to debate on equal terms, the one-sided scaremongering news reports, and 'if you don't do as you are told then you are .......' attitude that is most alarming. What has happened to curiosity? What has happened to thinking for ourselves? What has happened that those that have taken everything fed to them as absolute have become so condemning of those that are asking questions, and those seeing stuff that really feels very wrong are being stifled?

Aren't we all in this together? Don't we all want us as humans to live a kind, generous, loving and healthy life? Does anyone think that for one minute, a person questioning the narrative is doing it for any other reason than they really think this is the wrong route to be taking without fully transparent research into all possibilities and that includes the possibility that the starting point is an error?

Good to hear another point of view & from Spooky

He got the message across by being funny. I don't see anything wrong in that. JVT is known for his descriptive explanations.

Sparklefizz

"Having the vaccine doesn't mean vulnerable pensioners can act with 'wild abandon and go off to the bingo halls' says Deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam"

I love JVT !

Nice generalisation there.

"Having the vaccine doesn't mean vulnerable pensioners can act with 'wild abandon and go off to the bingo halls' says Deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam"

I love JVT !

So the change then is it’s apparently now been established that there is a degree of protection after the first dose, which is interesting as up to now the advice has been that it’s not effective until after the second dose. Will be interesting to see what the outcome of the dispute with Pfizer is, as the vaccine is over 90% effective at the regime they trialed, changing that regime does seem cavalier.

Which other vaccines specifically are you meaning?

Elegran

Genty You are concerned about what would happen if you have symptomless CoVid and get the vaccine less than four weeks after wards. I don't think it would make any difference to the vaccine working - that and the natural reaction to the virus would work together, not against each other. As for side effects, I don't see why the chance of having those would be any greater.

No one knows if it would make a difference, its a brand new lab produced vaccine, likewise no one knows if there will be long term health problems like there has been in the past with other vaccines.

Thank you Genty for the link to the statement. So it is to be 4 to 12 weeks for the Astra-Zeneca and 3-12 weeks for the Pfizer. It also says -
"The JCVI has also amended its previous highly precautionary advice on COVID-19 vaccines and pregnancy or breastfeeding. Vaccination with either vaccine in pregnancy should be considered where the risk of exposure SARS-CoV2 infection is high and cannot be avoided, or where the woman has underlying conditions that place her at very high risk of serious complications of COVID-19, and the risks and benefits of vaccination should be discussed."
PS - Some people can't go to links, or don't want to, so it is useful to add a note of what they say, as well as the URL itself.

www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-the-prioritisation-of-first-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines

Genty You are concerned about what would happen if you have symptomless CoVid and get the vaccine less than four weeks after wards. I don't think it would make any difference to the vaccine working - that and the natural reaction to the virus would work together, not against each other. As for side effects, I don't see why the chance of having those would be any greater.

AstraZeneca approve the longer interlude, so that’s fine.

I don’t know, but assume this is for the Oxford vaccine because the preliminary results showed that it’s more effective if there is longer than 4 weeks between the doses - I haven’t seen anywhere where 12 weeks came from though. The Pfizer vaccine is effective with a 4 week gap so surely they won’t delay the second dose for that?

Pfizer have said that they can’t support the U.K. decision over spreading the injection to more weeks than the data shows is necessary.

Perhaps it would be more sensible to continue as planned with the Pfizer?

Oh god I can see another cock-up in the making .

Please no!

Whitewavemark2

So why is this happening, anyone know?

Dr Helen Salisbury
@HelenRSalisbury
·
8h
Can I ask
@MattHancock
to come & do a shift on our phones, ringing our 80+ pts to explain that their 2nd dose of vaccine has been cancelled?
Our PCN needs to cancel 1160 appts & rebook another 1160. At 5 mins per phone call, that's 193 hours work. Not to mention the grief & anger

Possibly, not enough shots have yet been secured for the entire UK population to give two doses and the government have it in their heads that one dose is better than none!! The government are useless with numbers! and everything Covid related!!

Oh I’ve just read the reason. Apparently the regulatory bodies have given approval of a regime not yet trialled, which is to give just one injection followed by another 12 weeks later, and not the recommended 4 weeks.

Blimey I hope they don’t completely balls it up!

The reason is because they are panicking over the spiralling number of cases and deaths.

Well I wish with all my being that the risk of a decision without scientific back-up bears fruit. Things must be bad for them to take such a decision,

So why is this happening, anyone know?

Dr Helen Salisbury
@HelenRSalisbury
·
8h
Can I ask
@MattHancock
to come & do a shift on our phones, ringing our 80+ pts to explain that their 2nd dose of vaccine has been cancelled?
Our PCN needs to cancel 1160 appts & rebook another 1160. At 5 mins per phone call, that's 193 hours work. Not to mention the grief & anger

Weve all been told that you could have covid without showing any symproms of the virus, on the NHS website it states;

"If you've recently tested positive for coronavirus – even if you have no symptoms – you should wait until 4 weeks after the date you were tested before getting the vaccine."

Its pretty clear that there should be a 4 week wait after testing positive.If you unknowingly have covid with no symptoms and are vaccinated, whats going to happen, is the vaccine still going to work? what will the side effects be?

Crossed posts Casdon
I’ve reported it too.

Ziggy. That is nonsense. Fact check.

www.wrcbtv.com/story/43111315/fact-check-chi-memorial-nurse-who-fainted-after-getting-covid19-vaccine-is-doing-fine