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rosie1959 Wed 30-Dec-20 07:02:58

Some good news for a change

Casdon Wed 30-Dec-20 20:08:53

Untrue. www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/23/fact-check-nurse-who-fainted-after-being-vaccinated-alive/4024424001/

Ziggy1914 Wed 30-Dec-20 20:04:27

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Casdon Wed 30-Dec-20 18:36:31

I posted today’s update growstuff, which did provide a bit more detail - although what you’re looking for exactly isn’t available yet for public consumption, I’m sure it will come. I do trust the Joint Committee, they would not approve the vaccine without certainty of efficacy.

rosie1959 Wed 30-Dec-20 18:28:26

Whether or not you trust our government is irrelevant if you trust our medical professionals they are the ones leading the roll out of the vaccines

LauraNorder Wed 30-Dec-20 18:26:13

I’ll do that too Lucca,
Strength in numbers

Lucca Wed 30-Dec-20 18:16:48

Lucca

I am making it my business to report posts which contain or link to fake news

And another one bites the dust.?

Aepgirl Wed 30-Dec-20 18:09:46

Fantastic news. Could this be the start to the move to normality?

Dianehillbilly1957 Wed 30-Dec-20 17:08:32

Definitely something to cheer us all up, hopefully it'll work and life can begin again. Fingers crossed for all.

Lucca Wed 30-Dec-20 17:08:19

I am making it my business to report posts which contain or link to fake news

Whitewavemark2 Wed 30-Dec-20 17:03:06

growstuff

I sincerely hope not too. The trouble is that I honestly don't trust much this government says. They've got form for exaggerating and telling outright lies.

I have given up listening to anything they say because I simply no longer believe or trust HMG to be honest.

It is so sad as I’ve never in 75 years felt so distrustful of HMG

Whitewavemark2 Wed 30-Dec-20 17:00:37

Saying all that DD who was involved in the development of one of the covid vaccines ( she has since moved on) is really pleased and excited and very happy for her ancient parents to receive it asap?

growstuff Wed 30-Dec-20 16:59:02

I sincerely hope not too. The trouble is that I honestly don't trust much this government says. They've got form for exaggerating and telling outright lies.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 30-Dec-20 16:56:51

growstuff

Whitewavemark2

That’s one of the reasons my DD thought it would be delayed. The data simply isn’t available.

Exactly! It isn't available and that does concern me slightly. I would rather Oxford and AZ were transparent. I think they've handled this really badly, especially as few people believe government spin.

What concerns me is if there has been government pressure on the MRHA. I fervently hope not.

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JenniferEccles Wed 30-Dec-20 16:32:25

.Mimi now is not the time to come on here spouting your idiotic and dangerous anti vaccine rubbish.

It’s essential that as many people as possible have the vaccine when it is offered, and your daft unsubstantiated comments are not helping at all.

Thankfully though I don’t imagine anyone would be swayed by your remarks.

Elegran Wed 30-Dec-20 16:23:55

mimi You wish to "debate on equal terms" with people who have specialised in identifying viruses and diagnosing and treating the diseases they cause for all their working lives, or whose studies for decades have been about how infections are spread, or with hands-on nurses who have watched their patients in the throes of CoVid19.

What are you bringing to your side of this "debate"? How many years of study, experiment, hands-on experience can you contribute? That isn't a "debate on equal terms". You wouldn't debate with a brain surgeon exactly how he/she will cut into your grey matter.

You "can't see how injecting a load of some lab based concoction into my body is going to assist my body from doing what it knows best how to do" It is just as well that others observed that, yes, that is indeed what happens when you show a healthy body a tiny and weakened bit of something new that a lot of could do it great damage - it learns how to react to that tiny bit so that when and if it meets a dangerous attack from it, the antibodies can be produced fast to go into battle. That not only prevents the person who had the inoculation from succumbing, it stops the disease being passed on to the next person.

That is how smallpox, diphtheria, polio and other lethal diseases were tamed and sent packing, by denying them homes in those healthy bodies that had learnt how to neutralise them. How many people do you know who have had smallpox, diphtheria or polio? Before vaccinations, they were killers, or they marked and crippled for life.

growstuff Wed 30-Dec-20 16:21:38

Casdon

Does this one help growstuff? assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948338/jcvi-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination-30-dec-2020.pdf
There’s a lot of ‘conclusions’ information on the Joint Committee website that you might be interested in?

I've read that link too. In fact, I've posted it at least twice myself. It's very short on detail.

growstuff Wed 30-Dec-20 16:19:53

So somebody comes along and claims that the announcement has been made to coincide with putting most of the country into Tier 4, even though the data shows only 62% efficacy and hardly any data for over 55s, who need the vaccine most.

I want to refute the claim and be able to write "No, the trial data on xxx showed that it's effective, even for elderly people and here's a link". I can't do that because there is no trial data in the public domain and people are expected to believe Matt Hancock (ahem). hmm

growstuff Wed 30-Dec-20 16:14:28

Whitewavemark2

That’s one of the reasons my DD thought it would be delayed. The data simply isn’t available.

Exactly! It isn't available and that does concern me slightly. I would rather Oxford and AZ were transparent. I think they've handled this really badly, especially as few people believe government spin.

Hondaboy Wed 30-Dec-20 16:12:36

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Casdon Wed 30-Dec-20 16:09:31

Sorry, crossed post!

Casdon Wed 30-Dec-20 16:08:53

Humptydumpty I think the website is great, the shortcoming is though that they don’t put information onto it related to trial data until it’s all validated, which results in a time lag in the public getting the same information that the doctors, scientists etc. receive.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 30-Dec-20 16:08:32

That’s one of the reasons my DD thought it would be delayed. The data simply isn’t available.

humptydumpty Wed 30-Dec-20 16:06:35

I suspect that the absence of further publications reflects the waiting period for peer-reviewed papers.

Casdon Wed 30-Dec-20 16:04:41

Does this one help growstuff? assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948338/jcvi-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination-30-dec-2020.pdf
There’s a lot of ‘conclusions’ information on the Joint Committee website that you might be interested in?