Chris Whitty moves to head off GPs' rebellion over vaccine doses

Since I have done plenty of reading on this subject ( not reading GN posters!) I think what is being done is the best possible thing for as many people as is possible, to get protection from the worst aspects of Covid.
I advise others to do the same....read all about it from as many sources possible......make your own minds up and don’t be swayed by anything on here.

lemongrove

Because experts (quite a lot) say that’s the best way forward for the country.
Of course it doesn’t mean 100% protection, and mask wearing and washing hands and being careful will have to be continues as will tier 4 or 5 for quite a while, but the vaccine
Will give a good measure of protection.

How many times do we have to repeat ourselves without you directly answering the question?

The vaccine has been designed to be used in the way it was trialled and recommended by the producers.

It was not designed to be altered either in its dosage or interlude.

Pfizer have issued a statement to say that what HMG is doing is incorrect.

All systems go in Suisse! ?

Social Media has ‘concerns’ ( most of them laughable) about almost everything.
I have a whole brain growstuff so don’t listen to anyone with half a brain.

Because experts (quite a lot) say that’s the best way forward for the country.
Of course it doesn’t mean 100% protection, and mask wearing and washing hands and being careful will have to be continues as will tier 4 or 5 for quite a while, but the vaccine
Will give a good measure of protection.

lemongrove

growstuff you and another couple of GNers are doing a sterling job of trying hard to put people off having their ‘jabs’
And giving your own opinions whilst ignoring either Chris Whitty or J Van Tam on the subject.
Perhaps you are experts ( on this subject as well as others) but somehow I don’t think so.
Don’t have one if you are really so worried but stop putting forward reasons to not have it when you have no expertise.
There are enough stupid people out there already who refuse to have it, younger people ( who think they are invincible) and others who believe every nutty conspiracy theory doing the rounds.

Am I? I've already said that I'll have mine, so setting a good example. I've also been scrupulous about keeping to all government guidelines. I'm a model citizen!

Pretending something doesn't exist doesn't make it go away, which is what you so often seem to think.

I'm not the only person who has concerns, so don't accuse me of spreading the concerns. I still maintain that people (at least anyone with half a brain) would prefer transparency. If people want to live their lives like permanent toddlers, I suppose that's up to them.

I read an article this morning that AstraZeneca will shortly be able to provide 2 million doses a week. The article was carefully worded, but NOWHERE did it say 2 mill doses a week for the UK. So I assume that weekly 2 million is in total, for the UK and elsewhere in the world.

lemongrove the 'jabs' will not be given in the way that they were designed and tested.
How can you expect that to work out well?

If you get prescribed medicine from your doctor, but don't take it in the way you are instructed, why would you expect to get the desired result?

Ah, whitewave ( another expert!)?

biba70

GagaJo

That has crossed my mind too biba. I will have mine here and daughter is so far down the UK list that by the time she gets it, hopefully it'll just be the Oxford vaccine and easily accessible.

A friend of mine (from Yorkshire) and her husband, were vaccinated here last week, Pfizer vaccine. They got a certificates, with the date, the place, the person who administered and the bar code- and the date, time and place for second dose. How it should be.

This is exciting news! My headmistress tells me teachers here are in group 3. And another staff member has a wife who works for Pfizer who said it is all systems go in Suisse.

I am eagerly awaiting mine. Being older, fat and having asthma has never been an advantage to me before. Hopefully it will be now. Bring it on!

biba if you were living in the UK I have no doubt you would want to be first in the queue for these vaccines.Since you live in Switzerland you will have to wait ( of course, all vaccines there will be considered marvellous no doubt.)

lemongrove

growstuff you and another couple of GNers are doing a sterling job of trying hard to put people off having their ‘jabs’
And giving your own opinions whilst ignoring either Chris Whitty or J Van Tam on the subject.
Perhaps you are experts ( on this subject as well as others) but somehow I don’t think so.
Don’t have one if you are really so worried but stop putting forward reasons to not have it when you have no expertise.
There are enough stupid people out there already who refuse to have it, younger people ( who think they are invincible) and others who believe every nutty conspiracy theory doing the rounds.

What nonsense

growstuff you and another couple of GNers are doing a sterling job of trying hard to put people off having their ‘jabs’
And giving your own opinions whilst ignoring either Chris Whitty or J Van Tam on the subject.
Perhaps you are experts ( on this subject as well as others) but somehow I don’t think so.
Don’t have one if you are really so worried but stop putting forward reasons to not have it when you have no expertise.
There are enough stupid people out there already who refuse to have it, younger people ( who think they are invincible) and others who believe every nutty conspiracy theory doing the rounds.

FarNorth

biba70 comments like lemongrove's, I hope you mean.
growstuff I was commenting on lemongrove's post. Yes, sarcastic.

I thought so, but wasn't sure.

biba70 comments like lemongrove's, I hope you mean.
growstuff I was commenting on lemongrove's post. Yes, sarcastic.

YOU JUST DO NOT MESS AROUND WITH VACCINES IN A PANDEMIC

Yes I thought the same growstuff - I wish Johnson would stop with the predictions that everything will be back to normal in a couple of months

GagaJo

That has crossed my mind too biba. I will have mine here and daughter is so far down the UK list that by the time she gets it, hopefully it'll just be the Oxford vaccine and easily accessible.

A friend of mine (from Yorkshire) and her husband, were vaccinated here last week, Pfizer vaccine. They got a certificates, with the date, the place, the person who administered and the bar code- and the date, time and place for second dose. How it should be.

Yep Sarnia - and I think it has to be noted that Big Pharma is acting in a more ethical way that the government here. FWIW I am often critical of pharmaceutical companies!

I prefer to heed what Kate Bingham, the chairwoman of the UK Vaccine Taskforce, said in October 2020:

"Ms Bingham said it was important to manage expectations about what a vaccine could really change.

She said: "These are not going to be silver bullet vaccines and everyone gets back to work as normal on 1 January.

"It's going to take time, we're probably going to need more than one vaccine for different populations."

When can we get back to normal?
Ms Bingham said it was difficult to put an exact date on when normal life could resume - especially without knowing what type of vaccine will be available, how many doses will be needed, how effective it might be and which age group it might work best in.

"There's a real sense of when can we get back to normal? Of course that's what I hope will happen, but we don't have the data to be sure that that will happen and it also won't be overnight."

One worry, she said, is that work on a vaccine would have to start again from scratch if the virus was to mutate sufficiently in the future.

But she was hopeful that by 2022 there would be no need for people to wear face masks, and was more confident that we could be bringing in 2022 with family gatherings and parties.

People may also be able to go on summer holidays next year, she predicted - although it might not be easy to go by air, depending on how effective any vaccine is."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54573288

When I read the above article, I remember thinking that 2022 would be a realistic target.

I prefer to listen to the scientists who have produced these vaccines. They are being very clear in not mixing vaccines and the timeframe between the injections. Why is anyone wanting to deviate from those instructions? Without these scientists we would not have this chink of light at the end of the tunnel, so listen to them. Why does Boris & Co always think they know best?

I won't refuse to be vaccinated because I don't have concerns about safety, although I can understand the concerns of those who do have concerns. I'm more concerned that it won't work, so will carry on as though I haven't been vaccinated.

That has crossed my mind too biba. I will have mine here and daughter is so far down the UK list that by the time she gets it, hopefully it'll just be the Oxford vaccine and easily accessible.

growstuff

FarNorth

lemongrove

It seems to be a case of scientists/virologists not quite agreeing with each other, political ‘need’ wanting as many people to have some protection as possible and any other reason you can think of.
The main thing though, is that our ‘jabs’ are on the way.

Effective or not, why worry? As long as we get some sort of 'jab'.

Are you being sarcastic?

Read comments like that and despair- truly.

These vaccines have been rushed through, so the least we should do is to adhere to the advice given by manufacturers and their scientists, to the letter. Deviate from this and the vaccine becomes unlicenced and totally unpredictable.

I for on am really reasssured OH and myself will be vaccinated in a country where this is taken seriously and done properly. If I lived in the UK at the moment, I would refuse to be vaccinated unless the proper protocol is followed.

I agree with Rosen, until they can give evidence otherwise.

Michael Rosen
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I understood that vaccines should be administered in the same way as they're administered in the trials - same substance, same dose, same quantities. Any alteration hasn't been tested. It may be fine. It may not be.