I’m being made to feel stupid for sticking to the rules, anyone else?

Varian If my sums are right, that is a death rate of one in thirtysix, instead of one in six hundred and sixtyseven. Quite a difference!. If the chances of winning the lottery were one in thirtysix, it would be a far more likely and attractive proposition than one in six hundred and sixtyseven.

(I await the mathemeticians and statisticians proving me wrong)

As far as I can tell the survival rate in the UK is not 99.85% but 97.22% so she is seriously underestimating the chance of dying, apart from anything else.

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Quote AJKW Sun 03-Jan-21 09:51:15
Sorry but I see it from your friends perspective. With a survival rate of 99.85% then I do question why young fit healthy people are locked away; meanwhile the world economy’s are failing. The biggest problem we now face is the 2nd Great Depression, government induced. Something is going on Covid is the excuse.

Young people catch the virus and spread it to anyone and everyone, many of whom will be seriously ill or die. Some young people are seriously ill and die.
There is plenty “going on” including Brexit and strains on businesses, schools, education, families etc etc.
However Covid is real, extremely dangerous and still here.
It’s not a cover up for any other issues or problems, however it has exacerbated many.
Wake up to the facts.

Pammie1, it seems that they are not 'intelligent and rational people' at all. We just previously misjudged them!

My daughter was also very surprised (and disappointed) to be invited to two separate 'little gatherings' by friends. It seemed that they thought it OK.

She replied, saying 'No thanks, it's against the law - and far too dangerous!'

With the announcement of a third lockdown and warnings about the new variant Covid strain being 50-70% more transmissible, I sincerely hope people will follow the rules now.

We were invited to a friend’s home for a ‘small get together’ during the Christmas period - not in a bubble with them and I understood that several households would mix. We were in a tier 4 area before yesterday’s announcement, and yet this invitation was extended as though everything was normal. We refused and were called killjoys for pointing out that we are being cautious because of serious underlying health conditions and that tier 4 meant no indoor mixing anyway. I’ve since found out that one of the couples who went have since tested positive and the hosts are holding their breaths waiting for their own results. I couldn’t tell you how many of our neighbours had family gatherings on New Year’s Eve - cars turning up, kids running around, party food being carried in. Why do otherwise intelligent and rational people seemingly lose their minds at the thought of having to make even small sacrifices during what is the most serious health crisis in living memory ? To anyone with similar views I would say enjoy your dinner party, it could be your last.

I don't know whether it is classed as "work" but I think you might well be within the rules to do it, as you are already in the bubble with them. It would make things a lot easier for her to homeschool the older one alone, and the little one would have you all to themselves for a while too. It is up to you whether you want to take it on. Maybe you could have just the older one sometimes instead, to even up the "Mummy time" and the "Granny time" a bit - to prevent jealousy, and "divide and conquer".

My husband and I are in a Childcare bubble with our daughter and son in law. We babysit our 5 yr old and 3 yr old GC a couple of times week, after school, as Mum has a part time job and Dad is also at work. They are dropped off at our house and picked up before bedtime. As this involves covering for work we are following the Govt guidelines and are happy to do so. Now we are entering the latest Lockdown, our daughter has asked if we can look after the 3 yr old for a few hours each week so she can homeschool the 5yr old without the 3yr old being there. My question is - does homeschooling class as ‘work’?

Those who think it is only lethal to the old, so we can all go on doing what we want to are presumably those with no parents or other older relatives? Or they think that the worst thing for their Mother and father is not to see their grandchildren for a while. A fate worse than death!

Perhaps they have never seen that clip where the sergeant is told to tactfully give bad news to Private Jones.. He lines the platoon up, then bawls, "Right, all those with mothers two steps forward. - No, Jones! ^Not you.!"

There is no tactful way to put it. Older people die of this virus in disproportionate numbers BUT by no means only older people. Every death is a tragedy to someone and of patients who recover, more of them than you would think take a long long time (if ever) to get back to their previous health. Don't condemn others to it just because you believe that you can survive intact.

Say I would rather be safe than in hospital..

I think everyone should abide by the rules otherwise we will never get rid of the virus. It’s those who are not keeping to the rules that are helping to make matters worse. You should definitely stick to the rules it’s not a game playing with your life.

AJKW

Sorry but I see it from your friends perspective. With a survival rate of 99.85% then I do question why young fit healthy people are locked away; meanwhile the world economy’s are failing. The biggest problem we now face is the 2nd Great Depression, government induced. Something is going on Covid is the excuse.

If it was your mum that was in the 0.15% who didn't survive would you feel the same? People who quote survival rates also don't take into account those suffering long covid, or those who suffered in intensive care for long periods. Then there are all those whose lives have been lost or shortened as a result of postponement of other treatments because the hospitals are full of covid patients. I'm sorry but imho you are the stupid one!

TenaciousB - NOBODY has the right to try to make you feel stupid at all! Please ignore them and follow what makes you feel safe. Do you consider the people who try to belittle you to be 'good friends' - if so, I think I'd be changing those who I take heed of.

You're doing the right thing, by sticking to guidelines. NOWHERE in the UK is 'safe' (I think I'm right in saying that the lowest numbers are in The Scilly Isles'.

Keep yourself safe, TenaciousB - vaccinations are 'just around the corner' .

Friends have said you are "going over the top", they have not said that you are stupid the feeling is coming from within.

You know you are not stupid. Just deal with Covid the way you want to and dont concern yourself with what others are doing.

Friends do not agree with everything so I would not argue with them, you cannot change their minds anymore than they yours.

this is sort of an example of the way some are thinking,even if numbers are low it can change by the minute, if everyone had been sensible and wore masks, social distancing etc i`m sure there would have been a big improvement by now instead of dragging on and on, too much ,,"I`m all right Jack "

I know of a couple of people who have been a bit flippant about the guidelines....those very same people have been terrified when told that they have been exposed to the virus by mixing with a person who has tested positive. We are all at risk and the more careful we are the better. Dinner parties can wait.

I live with my 70 year old parents my mam and I are both asthmatic and I am awaiting a double hip replacement we live in a tier 4 area and on new years day I had to threaten my family with getting the police as my parents wanted to let my brother his girlfriend and her 2 year old child into our home. I cant understand why it is so difficult to follow in this age of technology the sooner we stick to the rules properly the sooner it will end I havent been out the house since the beginning of november

Other people's reaction, to this situation, has certainly made their character visible - crystal clear, in fact.

I never realised that I knew quite so many selfish, ignorant, reckless folk - some are even relatives!

I’ve been accused of bring paranoid and I’ve said I probably am but I’m going to survive!
I’ve also had a family member say to me it’s because of you I have to stay in and wear masks etc As if being classed as clinically extremely vulnerable was my choice!
You certainly find out who your true friends are in a time of crisis. All I can say is keep on taking care of yourself because nobody else will!

Sometimes we perceive others to be out taking risks, I know a neighbour called out merry Christmas to me last week, we had a conversation across the road as I was getting into my car, she said I was always out and about, the truth is I drive my dogs to the woods or the beach a couple of times a day, I keep as far away from others as I can, I only shop when I have to, getting a months worth of animal food at a time, Shopping online and only meeting my sister my brother or son, who all live on their own, out on walks, one a week, but to others I seem to be "out and about all the time"

My husband was disappointed and thought I was overreacting
when I decided not to have Christmas with our children and grandchildren, even though it was permitted. We were in Tier 2 at the time but I still felt uneasy even though we didn't know anyone who had had the virus. He is now glad that I made the decision for us, as on Boxing Day two of our children their husband's and two of the grandchildren tested positive for Covid 19.

We think we have been extremely strict. We have not been in anyone else's house, or a shop or pub or restaurant since early March. We wear gloves to take in deliveries and sanitise everything before we put it away.

We obey our own rules, irrespective of government rules because our rules should make us safer.

We do walk around our village and the neighbouring countryside and sometimes chat to neighbours, but only at a safe distance.

We only know one couple whose rules are stricter that ours. They never leave their own house and garden.

It is our responsibilty to keep ourselves as safe as we can be and not impose an unnecessary burden on the NHS.

I never 'felt stupid' though. I knew, all along, that I was right!

TenaciousB, Yes, in the past, my sister and best friend both laughed at me for 'overreacting'.

That was back in the summer, though. Now, at last, they finally realise the gravity of the situation. They don't laugh now.

There is no cure for stupid, unfortunately!

PamelaJl
I was 8 months waiting to have a cancerous tumour removed in 2019
Unfortunately I found out last October that the cancer has returned, I'm on a waiting list for surgical removal of the new tumour... god only knows when that will happen now with the escalation of Covid cases
Most people are kind and good but some people are just so selfish it makes me weep