Vaccine side effects

Had mine Wednesday, slightly tender arm for one day, otherwise no side effects. Given the numbers who have have had the vaccine it's a very successful roll out.

What news is that, lemsip ? The only new statement I have seen today is this from www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/coronavirus/2021/01/23/cdc-data-suggests-severe-allergic-reactions-to-moderna-vaccine-are-rare
"Out of more than 4 million shots given, there were 10 instances of a severe allergic reaction, or anaphylaxis, reported."

Of this it seems that 8 were at one centre. That is probably very significant.

what a stupid comment this is

(interesting news from california today) yogagirl eagerly waiting responses!

there was interesting news from the back of beyond today also! If you can't get to the point in question forget it

Yogagirl The fact that it was 8 from the same centre, and none reported from any others does point to it possibly being something about that centre - the storage, handling, administration or hygeine of the vaccine.

Vials from the same large batch of vaccine have not been reported to have had the effect in any of the other centres they were sent to. I would put it at more than possible, more like probable.

The same ingredients are in each vial of each batch, and production hygeine and security where they are made are doubtless strictly maintained and inspected. Pfizer have been criticised before, so they will be being extra careful, for the sake of their reputation.

I assume the centre and their records are undergoing close inspection. My money is on some breach of storage conditions or time limits. Those have been well publicised, so there is no excuse.

Yogagirl, you are flogging a dead horse. It is known that this vaccine has some side effects and that severe allergies and carrying an epipen is a contra indicator for receiving it. Can you name me a single vaccine, or even medecine that has no side effects? You mention 9 occurences of anaphylactic shock following receiving the vaccine. If you knew anything about statistics, and you clearly do not, while a cluster of 8 should be investigated, it could happen by chance. if you add the three in the UK you have 12 cases - how many million people have received these vaccines without incident.

I will set out a problem and I would be interested to here your opinion, avoiding the issue, does not count.

I am allergic to penicillin. One dose, could, theoretically, kill me. There are millions of people all round the world who are allergic to penicillin and in the same position as me. Yet pennicillin is, probably, the most widely prescribed antibiotic ever. It is every doctors first thought when faced with an infection. Would you ban penicillin because of the wide spread danger it poses to so many people, or keep it because of its beneficial effect and life saving value to so many more?

BlueSky

Just like any new medication we take any unusual symptoms, headache, stomach ache, dizziness etc, will be blamed on it, even if it’s purely coincidental.

Bluesky - so true your comment.

The evening of the day I had my first dose of vaccine, I developed really bad stomach ache. For about an hour I wondered if there had been any other reports of this sort of adverse reaction.

As it got worse, I did realise that I was just experiencing the start of a block in my ostomy - something that happens every so often. So, I treated this exactly as I always do - Hot bath, hot water bottle and mug of boiling water, sipped as hot as possible. Within a couple of hours it had passed - as usual.

I am not hypochondriac in any form, but was falling into the trap of putting down a normal problem I get to a vaccine-reaction.

In fact, I got no reaction whatsoever, not even a sore arm.

One of my daughters says that, although she has no proper research, but she know of very many people who have had this vaccine as she is a front line NHS worker - she feels that older people seem less likely to have any reaction, and younger ones more so. It could be that with younger people, their own antibodies are fighting against this introduction -where as with older people we have far less natural t-cells etc. left in our system.

Elegran

That won't reassure those who are uncertain about the vaccine to start with. Nothing would.

It said in that report that: Severe allergic reactions to vaccines are rare, with vaccine related anaphylaxis occurring in 1, in 100,000. Yet 8 people at the same vaccine centre were hospitalised plus one other in Colorado.

That won't reassure those who are uncertain about the vaccine to start with. Nothing would.

Elegran, exactly and the batch involved was late cleared and used in the vaccination roll-out.
www.healthline.com/health-news/why-california-put-a-pause-on-a-single-lot-of-the-moderna-covid-19-vaccine

It’s quite common for there to be a ‘mass hysteria’ outbreak when new vaccines are introduced.
Interesting article from the World Health Organisation.
apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1264052/retrieve

"Consistent with the statement from CDPH, at this point Moderna is unaware of comparable clusters of adverse events from other vaccination centers which may have administered vaccines from the same lot, or from other Moderna lots."
That does sound as though there is something about that particular vaccination session or that particular centre which is not applicable to any other sessions or centres. If it were a general problem with the vaccine (or even with that batch) it should surely be showing up at other centres?

Moderna vaccine California updates two days ago.
www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR21-025.aspx
State officials had put a pause on using that lot of vaccine after six people in San Diego experienced severe allergic reactions after receiving the shot. [six not ten - reported as "under ten" but repeated as "ten"]
The lot contained a total of 1,272,200 doses, most of which were shipped across the country, according to a Moderna statement. Thousands of those doses have already been administered.

From Moderna "January 19, 2021: Moderna acknowledges receiving a report from the California Department of Public Health (CDPH) that several individuals at one vaccination center in San Diego were treated for possible allergic reactions after vaccination from one lot of Moderna’s COVID-19 Vaccine. The Company is fully cooperating with CDPH in investigating these reported adverse events. Consistent with the statement from CDPH, at this point Moderna is unaware of comparable clusters of adverse events from other vaccination centers which may have administered vaccines from the same lot, or from other Moderna lots." investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/statement-california-department-public-health-cdph-report

www.healthline.com/health-news/why-california-put-a-pause-on-a-single-lot-of-the-moderna-covid-19-vaccine#Why-the-Moderna-lot-was-investigated

I am 85 and in that group to have the covid vaccination. I had mine on Thursday and, because I have never had adverse effects to vaccinations in the past, expected to be the same this time. Unfortunately I have felt really poorly - nasty headache (I don't usually get headaches) body aching and really tired. I don't usually give in but keep going, however I had to lay down on my bed for a couple of hours yesterday as I felt so bad.
Luckily today I feel quite bit better. Am just hoping when I get the second injection it doesn't have the same effect.

^QuoteM0nica Fri 22-Jan-21 15:58:13
Yogagirl There are no problems in California witht he jab eexcept a query about one batch of the Moderna vaccine. This was cleared up and that particular batch was cleared for use^.

330,000 of the Moderna vaccine was pulled from being used as 10 people vaccinated, at the same vaccine centre, had severe allergic reactions to it and needed to be hospitalised.

Yes, I understood.
I wonder why - this morning my thoughts wandered on to what reaction you might have to the vaccine if you'd already had Covid.

Many people may not realise that they have had it, of course.

I have recently had a Neuro nurse come to the house. She says she had the virus around 2 months ago, she had the vaccine 8 days ago and every bone in her body ached the following day, plus she was totally exhausted and only just starting to feel better now. On speaking to her colleagues that also had the virus and vaccine around about the same (they were all at the same conference) time they too felt exactly the same. On speaking to another nurse she said only the people that had already had the actual virus before being vaccinated had these symptoms. I think I have made sense of that?

^Very interesting post nanna Didn't know that Oz isn't rolling out the vaccine.
They are producing their own vaccine and had a anomaly in just three test results so had abandoned production pro tem.

There was resistance towards vaccination at first in Australia because the Government considered making it compulsory for all.
Children have to have a range of vaccines before they are allowed to start state school too and babies are meant to have a Hepatitis B vaccine as soon as they are born too - some mothers do refuse to allow their days old babies to have that.

I think if a government dictates that vaccinations are compulsory, it is inevitable that people will rebel and question in a democracy.

Yogagirl There are no problems in California witht he jab eexcept a query about one batch of the Moderna vaccine. This was cleared up and that particular batch was cleared for use.

By constantly producing tiny little glitches, far from supporting your anti-vaccine case you undermine it because if the best you can do is find tiny problems, the kind that are inevtable with any vaccine however successful, it just underlines how safe these vaccines really are.

Had my first one this morning. The nurse doing it said she had hers three weeks ago and just felt very tired for a couple of days.

nanna8

Ah well , it is interesting to read all this because none of us here in Australia have been offered the vaccine yet. I feel better about it now I have to say. There is a bit of scaremongering over here about how safe it is so thank you for sharing the positives.

Very interesting post nanna Didn't know that Oz isn't rolling out the vaccine.

Anything in your news over there in Oz re: California? The thing that really frightens me is nothing in our news or on the radio! Yahoo mail wouldn't give out false news.

Had mine yesterday (Pfizer) arm only slightly tender, feeling completely normal. My DH had his last week as did my best friend, all good, really glad to get it. Tentacles not growing yet M0nica!

By the way, just coming up to a week since my jab without the scintilla of a sign of a side effect. Apart from my green hair and tentacles growing on my toes.

Gingetrgirl As I keep saying DH was one of the peoplewho volunteered to take part in the Phase 3 trials of the Oxford vaccine. 25,000 people from a range of different countries world wide injected and tested weekly for at least 4 months.

By Phase 3 they were being tested on people of all ages and with a wide range of co-morbidities. The results were then assessed by the independent assessors who approved it for use.

Why do you say in your post things that are already proven to be untrue. Did you or your children have any of the choldhood vaccines. Did you worry about thpse as much. If not, why not.

Thought I left the bullying when I left school!

Oh how ironic

Jab day plus two - still headachy, sore arm a bit better.
Slightly sniffy as if I have a cold coming. Apart from that I feel fine.