Vaccine side effects

Took my 85 year old dad to have his at 10.45 this morning.

He's a strapping chap doesn't fear anything, never has.

He was fine etc. But the doc wanted his top off, so he takes his sweatshirt off, he had a grey vest on that he had cut down the middle(, plus it was inside out he said it was too tight)

He of course took his braces down which in turn let his trousers fall to the floor luckily he had his long johns on!(thought he was going to do a full strip!

Bless him hes'e trying so hard after mum passing away 4 months ago.

So he got dressed, we then went and sat for 20 mins then was set free.

The thing that worried me was, I took him back to mine for a coffee and pork pie that he loves, he sat down and got the most dreadful pain in his left chest area! I know it was bad as he didn't finish his pork pie!(not meant to be funny but he loves his food)

It took a while to subside and he was rummaging for his angina spray(which he never has in his pocket) he has about 7 in his box at home .

So I took him home and he was going to have a sleep, I'm hoping it had nothing to do with the jab, he said it was trapped wind and it did ease, but he wasn't just himself. probably coincidence I hope. He does have underlying health conditions.

Only 24 hours but I have had no reactions at all to my vaccine, no sore arm, no redness or swelling, nothing. DS tells me his MiL, who also had the jab yesterday, is as reactionless as I am.

Interesting comments. I must say that my husband was not in any way suggesting his headaches were linked to the vaccine, that was just me wondering! I’m pleased to say he had not had any more since then. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to the second one next month .

We each put a ‘soup of chemicals’ into our body every time we eat a meal. Everything on earth is made of chemicals.

As for not taking anti-malarials, that’s madness. A huge number of deaths are caused by the scourge of malaria. We have always taken AM’s when living abroad. I didn’t want to die of malaria and I didn’t want to live with the non-fatal but recurrent version, either. Dh recalls his grandfather, who was born and raised in India, suffering from recurrent malaria. It wasn’t pretty.

As for vaccine side effects, my medic dd received it last week. She had a sore arm for one day and is now fine. One young male medic fainted but as that was before he’d even had his injection, it seems an unlikely side effect!

Yes, much of the groundwork had been done over very many years.

....and there is an NHS leaflet on the subject of side effects. look back up thread for the link.

Sir Isaac Newton said If I have seen further, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants

In other word each new scientific discovery is made by building on discoveries previously made and if you look at this link, www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-5504137]]1 the contents of which have been widely disseminated, you will read how following the Ebola epidemic, the Oxford group put all their efforts into developing a basic vaccine using new advances in genetic modification that would enable them to manipulate the DNA of any virus and place it in this base and immediately have an effective and safe vaccine. All they had to do then was undertake extensive testing through several phases to confirm its safety, which they did. The approval authority then did their appraisals and it was released.

I am gob-smacked that any intelligent adult, who like all of us, has lived through so much technological, scientific and medical advances in their lives, could be suspicious because someone produced a vaccine faster in 2020 than they did 20, 50, 100 or 200 years ago. That is utterly Luddite.

Why? Why? Why do people persist in calling the vaccines untested? As has been said, they were tested on tens of thousands of volunteers. Yes, the research and development was unusually quick but that was because:

a) Barrowloads of money were pumped into the research

b) Drug firms worldwide supported and shared the research

c) They were already a good way on, having produced the flu vaccine which is related to the current virus.

There is no conspiracy to hide possible side-effects. They are regularly discussed in the media.

Good description, Elegran

I meant the first link to contraindications
I'm sure the others will be useful too.

Thank you for that link M0nica
It's most useful

None of the COVID vaccines use the traditional methods of vaccine production. They are not based on a dead or weakened form of the pathogen being injected into the body in preparations that are designed not to make you sick but rather to build immunity.

The science behind the Pfizer vaccine is described here www.pfizer.co.uk/behind-science-what-mrna-vaccine

The science behind the Oxford vaccine is described here www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55041371

Yogagirl When it comes to defeating invading organisms, your immune system does indeed work very hard at producing substances that kill - but they kill the attacking pathogens. Before the immune system has met a particular pathogen, it is unaware that it will have to defend your cells against it, but once a trace of a new threat is detected, the antigens to counteract it are manufactured and go to work. The next time the invader shows up, it gets short shrift, as the antigen factory now has its blueprint. Vaccines introduce a portion of the pathogen - not the full Monty to multiply in your cells to give you the disease but a scrap of part of it to be recognised. Like your fingerprint as an identifier isn't the same thing as your whole body present at the crime scene waiting to be arrested.

I had my COVID jab yesterday. The doctor warned I might have a sore arm and a lump today, but actually I have absolutely nothing at all. I cannot even find the spot where the needle went in!

I feel fine and anticipate continuing to feel so. I had a flu jab this year for the first time and had exactly the same experience, no soreness, no swelling, no sign where the needle went the day after and absolutely no after affects at all.

I notice the Norwegian pms say they show signs that the vaccine may have contributed to their deaths, not that it did. Terminally ill people are usually on a cocktail of drugs, often in quite large doses and I would think any doctor would think twice, three or more times about adding a vaccine onto that drug load. Like others I must say, if someone is near death, I cannot see the point.

There will always be some people for whom a vaccine is considered unsuitable. See this list of contra indicators for the Pfizer drug issued by the NHS www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/contraindications-and-cautions-summary-for-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine/ .

These vaccines are not given without checks, when we turned up for our vaccines yesterday, they did, infact, check us against this list of contra-indicators.

Yogagirl It is your choice whether you have the vaccine or not, but your arguments against it so far have been very thin and assumed that all those involved in developing and administrating the vaccine are reckless and/or stupid. They aren't. These vaccines have been throughly tested and retested and approved by the relevant drug testing bodies. Detailed instructions for their administration have been issued and a list of circumstances and conditions when they should not be adminstered has been published and, as I know, not only are these checked when you enter the vaccine system, but they are checked and double checked all the way through.

QuoteCallistemon Sat 16-Jan-21 10:21:07
It is an inert vaccine not a live one and apparently caused fever and nausea which led to their deaths

Dr David Martin explains, "once in your body it activates the cells to become a pathogen manufacturing site."
"It is a chemical pathogen device that is actually meant to unleash a chemical pathogen production action within a cell."

Will certainly be having mine, had both my children vaccinated, (years ago, they are now 50 and 51!) Have flu jab every year, sick of conspiracy fantasists.

On the graphed above, reading from left:

The first pictured virus is Coronavirus & Rhinovirus [common cold].

The third pictured virus is Flu.

Corona virus is more closely related to the common cold [Rhinovirus] than flu, they are both positive single strain RNA viruses. Whereas influenza is a negative single strain RNA virus:

Please don't say that my mother had her vaccine yesterday.

Most of the deceased were reportedly elderly and terminally ill patients.
According to the Norwegian Institute of Public Heath.

I would wonder about the efficacy of giving the vaccine to someone who is terminally ill although, of course, if they caught Covid it would probably prove to be fatal anyway.
A difficult decision to make in those circumstances but the chances of someone who is in the last stages of life suffering badly with Covid is probably worse.

It is an inert vaccine not a live one and apparently caused fever and nausea which led to their deaths.

We are not alarmed by this. It is quite clear that these vaccines have very little risk, with a small exception for the frailest patients, Steinar Madsen, medical director with the agency, told Norwegian broadcaster NRK.

Doctors must now carefully consider who should be vaccinated. Those who are very frail and at the very end of life can be vaccinated after an individual assessment, he added.

Coronavirus & flu virus come under the same 'umbrella': Are descended from the same ancestor. Virus kingdom Orthornavirae.

Out of all the European countries, Norway is offering the most cautious approach to the vaccine rollout. Norwegian officials said 23 people had died in the country a short time after receiving their first dose of the vaccine. Of those deaths, 13 have been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people, according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

Yogagirl, I echo what M0nica says. You have some strange views, and perhaps it is as well that most of us don't share them, as at least most of us will take the vaccine gratefully when we get the chance, not just for our own benefit, but for the sake of reducing the risks to those who can't or won't take it.

For the umpteenth time on Gransnet, I would point out that this is a coronavirus, not a flu virus. You are doing the virological equivalent of mixing up orang-utans and sheep, both mammals, but quite different.

Yogagirl the vaccines are not untested, My own DH was one of the participants in the Oxford trials. He was one of 25,000 such people.

No medication or vaccine is without side effects. Have you ever read the bit of paper tucked into any patent medicine, from indigestion tablets to pain killers?

In fact life is not without risk, get into a car, cross a road, put your tights on, change your shoes. Thousands of people are killed or injured every year doing just such everyday tasks.

Vaccination means that smallpox no onger exists and that polio has also nearly been eradicated.

You didn't take anti-malaria tablets, just relied on gin and tonic. So the dangers of alcohol did not worry you?

I have commented on your previous post of your failure to understand how vaccines work when you talked about them 'kicking in' weeks later.

Atqui.
Is your H like a member of my family who what ever treatment they receive from the medical profession will have /head /stomache /back ache etc etc and in their view must be due to etc etc etc.?If headaches, although treated, persist. then most certainly call your GP.

Yoga girl your argument completely blew out of the water when you said you didn’t take anti malaria tablets when you lived in Africa for 6 years. That is downright crazy. I had a close colleague who had the same attitude, she’d lived in Africa as a missionary midwife for over 10 years, and done the same as you. When she went back on holiday she again didn’t take the tablets, on return she died, in the London tropical diseases hospital, it was heartbreaking for everybody who knew her.