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NHS could vaccinate UK against Covid in five days, says Oxford professor

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GagaJo Sun 10-Jan-21 11:17:41

The NHS could vaccinate the entire population in five days but is being hampered by bureaucracy, a leading immunologist has claimed.

Sir John Bell, regius chair of medicine at the University of Oxford, said stubborn NHS bureaucrats were standing in the way of a high-speed mass inoculation programme that could prevent many further deaths.

“The NHS has the theoretical capacity to immunise everybody in five days if they want to, but I don’t get the sense they are really motivated,” Bell told the Times.

“Did you see the list of things you have to do to volunteer to help the inoculation programme? To impose it on people who are just sticking a needle in an arm is bonkers.”

uk.news.yahoo.com/nhs-could-vaccinate-uk-against-163726271.html

Nightsky2 Sun 10-Jan-21 12:31:54

rosie1959

Nightsky2 not necessary for the Oxford vaccine

Thank you Rosie.

Missfoodlove Sun 10-Jan-21 12:31:14

A retired nurse friend volunteered to administer the vaccine but her diversity training was out of date so she has to do it again to take part.
Ridiculous!

Alegrias1 Sun 10-Jan-21 12:30:30

???

Thanks Lucretzia. I don't even like the Tories, but honestly, let's not look for problems that aren't there!

Lucretzia Sun 10-Jan-21 12:28:41

You carry on, Alegrias1

Maybe it will sink in eventually

Alegrias1 Sun 10-Jan-21 12:27:14

Sarnia

Like several things during this pandemic the Government are far too slow to act.
Logistics and planning are not their strong points as we saw with PPE provision, exam algorithms, testing centres and test and trace and here we are again. If Boris & Co had got their act together when these vaccines were first mentioned, 10 months ago, they would have had plenty of people vetted, trained and ready to administer the vaccine when the time came. Incompetence on an industrial scale.

I'm going to keep saying this, if I have to.

They are not far too slow. They have been faster than any other country in Europe and nearly every other country in the World - only 4 are faster. Stop complaining.

Charleygirl5 Sun 10-Jan-21 12:26:06

Nightsky I agree with you. It may be a minuscule amount but it will happen somewhere.

Nightsky2 Sun 10-Jan-21 12:21:27

Nightsky2

paddyanne

I got my flu jag in the community centre,there were stations set up around it and no seats.It was a a case of walk in to a free station hand over your paperwork and get jagged.We were told to have sleeves rolled up as we went in.It took two minutes at most .In one door and out another .The door was held open by a person wearin PPE .
I'm sure they could get through a lot in an hour if they used this system

What happens if you have a bad reaction 5 minutes after your jab. I though you had to sit down for 15 minutes before getting the all clear.

Sorry, should have stayed in bedblush

rosie1959 Sun 10-Jan-21 12:20:39

Nightsky2 not necessary for the Oxford vaccine

rosie1959 Sun 10-Jan-21 12:18:10

Sarnia

Like several things during this pandemic the Government are far too slow to act.
Logistics and planning are not their strong points as we saw with PPE provision, exam algorithms, testing centres and test and trace and here we are again. If Boris & Co had got their act together when these vaccines were first mentioned, 10 months ago, they would have had plenty of people vetted, trained and ready to administer the vaccine when the time came. Incompetence on an industrial scale.

That makes the rest of the countries in Europe even more incompetent we are far in advance of them

Lucretzia Sun 10-Jan-21 12:17:25

* “The NHS has the theoretical capacity to immunise everybody in five days if they want to,*

Theoretical being the operative word.

I have great faith in Sir John Bell

He's given some excellent interviews

We could do with a few more like him

Nightsky2 Sun 10-Jan-21 12:16:24

paddyanne

I got my flu jag in the community centre,there were stations set up around it and no seats.It was a a case of walk in to a free station hand over your paperwork and get jagged.We were told to have sleeves rolled up as we went in.It took two minutes at most .In one door and out another .The door was held open by a person wearin PPE .
I'm sure they could get through a lot in an hour if they used this system

What happens if you have a bad reaction 5 minutes after your jab. I though you had to sit down for 15 minutes before getting the all clear.

Sarnia Sun 10-Jan-21 12:16:00

Like several things during this pandemic the Government are far too slow to act.
Logistics and planning are not their strong points as we saw with PPE provision, exam algorithms, testing centres and test and trace and here we are again. If Boris & Co had got their act together when these vaccines were first mentioned, 10 months ago, they would have had plenty of people vetted, trained and ready to administer the vaccine when the time came. Incompetence on an industrial scale.

Cherrytree59 Sun 10-Jan-21 12:14:28

Simples
Vaccination delivered by Amazon. Definitely not Hermes
Van Tam could do a you tube video showing us all how vaccinate ourselves
Job done as they say.?

GagaJo Sun 10-Jan-21 12:11:39

And they should be ashamed of themselves for it Charleygirl5. How many useful staff have they lost because it? How much delay has it caused?

Thanks Maw. I chuckled as I wrote it.

Peasblossom Sun 10-Jan-21 12:10:33

If it’s just inconvenient and I could do the travel then I would go and save the local vaccination for someone who can’t.

MawBe Sun 10-Jan-21 12:10:08

GagaJo

That sounds fantastic paddyanne. I am very jealous you are vaccinated! I am gagging for my shot.

Gagajo -saw what you did there! ?? gringrin

Charleygirl5 Sun 10-Jan-21 12:09:47

GagaJo I am one of those people- I really could not be bothered going through that rigmarole. Firstly before I received the 21 pages, I had to send in my CV to see if I was suitable! Having retired in 2002 amazingly I no longer have a CV, up to date certificates etc. I am sure many more thought like me.

GagaJo Sun 10-Jan-21 12:09:25

I would make the drive Boz. The relief of knowing he has some protection alone would make it worthwhile.

Boz Sun 10-Jan-21 12:07:51

My husband, 81, has been offered a jab at a Centre miles away because our local Doctors clinic has run out of vaccine. We don't know whether to travel 45 mins for his jab or wait for the local clinic to get stock. The gut instinct is to get it immediately, if at an inconvenient Centre that requires car travel or would it be more sensible to wait upon the local Doctor. Any advice?

Sparklefizz Sun 10-Jan-21 12:04:14

paddyanne

I got my flu jag in the community centre,there were stations set up around it and no seats.It was a a case of walk in to a free station hand over your paperwork and get jagged.We were told to have sleeves rolled up as we went in.It took two minutes at most .In one door and out another .The door was held open by a person wearin PPE .
I'm sure they could get through a lot in an hour if they used this system

With the Pfizer jab, the patient has to sit and wait for 15 mins afterwards before they are allowed to leave in case they have a reaction.

Apparently this does not apply to the Oxford A-Z vaccine, so it's a much quicker process.

GagaJo Sun 10-Jan-21 12:02:54

That sounds fantastic paddyanne. I am very jealous you are vaccinated! I am gagging for my shot.

paddyanne Sun 10-Jan-21 12:01:46

I got my flu jag in the community centre,there were stations set up around it and no seats.It was a a case of walk in to a free station hand over your paperwork and get jagged.We were told to have sleeves rolled up as we went in.It took two minutes at most .In one door and out another .The door was held open by a person wearin PPE .
I'm sure they could get through a lot in an hour if they used this system

Sparklefizz Sun 10-Jan-21 11:59:52

Thanks for your very interesting post Peasblossom.
I was really a fan of Prof John Bell until he made this remark which is critical, very unhelpful and also seems to be incorrec.

GagaJo Sun 10-Jan-21 11:58:19

Charleygirl5

I certainly would not be turning up for my vaccine at 3 am one morning. I live on my own and I do not travel in dusk and dark although I am in a vulnerable group.

24 hour administration would certainly speed the vaccination process up.

Anything that gets us out of this morass has to be good.

Retired doctors and nurses are having to go through a ridiculous administrative process, just to give injections. Give them a one day supporting role in a vaccination centre. Administer three or four sample (water) injections into an orange. Back into active service.

EllanVannin Sun 10-Jan-21 11:57:37

Mine's on the 28th when I have my INR. So long as the nurse doesn't make a muck of it like she did with the 'flu one when I had blood running down my arm. Either I've got skin like a rhino or the needle was blunt. A bit of both probably.