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NHS could vaccinate UK against Covid in five days, says Oxford professor

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GagaJo Sun 10-Jan-21 11:17:41

The NHS could vaccinate the entire population in five days but is being hampered by bureaucracy, a leading immunologist has claimed.

Sir John Bell, regius chair of medicine at the University of Oxford, said stubborn NHS bureaucrats were standing in the way of a high-speed mass inoculation programme that could prevent many further deaths.

“The NHS has the theoretical capacity to immunise everybody in five days if they want to, but I don’t get the sense they are really motivated,” Bell told the Times.

“Did you see the list of things you have to do to volunteer to help the inoculation programme? To impose it on people who are just sticking a needle in an arm is bonkers.”

uk.news.yahoo.com/nhs-could-vaccinate-uk-against-163726271.html

Alegrias1 Fri 15-Jan-21 20:37:16

My parents had a call from their surgery, not a letter. They got their first dose today. I'm very happy grin

WOODMOUSE49 Fri 15-Jan-21 20:17:47

Kim19

I wil be there, wherever, whenever. Can't remember ever watching for the postie so keenly since I was a child with a birthday.

I heard from quite a few that they get a call from the surgery.

Boz Fri 15-Jan-21 20:06:33

Rosie
You don't need your NHS number as it can be accessed from your address. However, It is useful to know it as Centres may vary.
Although, we had the Oxford jab, we were asked to sit for 15 mins; again this may vary depending on your Centre.

Boz Fri 15-Jan-21 20:01:16

You are right Peaseblossom. There was an awful lot of people on sticks/crutches or in wheelchairs, or just needing an arm of reassurance. As the Clients get younger, the process will speed up!

Peasblossom Fri 15-Jan-21 17:42:51

At the moment it’s slower because a large number of those being vaccinated require assistance or, even if independent, have reduced mobility and are needing reassurance and a level of human contact.

It should speed up as more vaccine is produced and those being vaccinated don’t need (hopefully) the same level of “customer care’.

rosie1959 Fri 15-Jan-21 17:19:55

That sounds a good idea Boz I presumed they just input your NHS no which brings up all your details
Presume you don’t need the 15 min wait with the Oxford vaccine
Remembering how my dad told me how they did vaccines when he was in the navy everyone in a line and jabbed as they walked past much quicker lol
I shouldn’t take long no medication and go to the doctor every 20 years or so

Boz Fri 15-Jan-21 16:57:38

Can I just say, it is a good idea to have your NHS details on you atm.

Boz Fri 15-Jan-21 16:56:13

The thing is Rosie that there is an amount of red tape.

1. Full name and address is fed to computer who brings up your NHS number. check.
2. Sit and wait for your cubicle for jab.
3. Get interview from nurse and assistant about your medication etc. etc..
4. The jab
5. 15 min wait

rosie1959 Fri 15-Jan-21 16:42:14

Too much time on my hands was wondering how many people in the uk turn out to vote all in one day
Would take no longer to vaccinate than put a cross in a box

Esspee Fri 15-Jan-21 16:41:50

“All eligible care home residents across the Greater Glasgow and Clyde health board area have now been offered their first vaccination against Covid.” A total of 6,019 residents in 143 care homes have received the vaccine.

Reassuring news in my area today.

Boz Fri 15-Jan-21 16:38:58

As soon as they get the very old done, they will start to open for longer hours to accommodate workers, so not long now,

Boz Fri 15-Jan-21 16:34:40

Yes. They actually said "of course"; a very sensible and pragmatic approach as it saved me another journey and another wait in various waiting areas.
The whole process took about 90 mins inc. 15 mins waiting time - we had the Oxford jab.
As you need to be mobile or pushed and need to get from a carpark, it can't beat a small local surgery but at least stocks are available unlike some Surgeries who have not the vaccine to jab the over-nineties let alone over-80's.

rosie1959 Fri 15-Jan-21 16:30:45

I was thinking today I really wish they would get a move on it's our only hope that I can see to returning to some sort of life rather than this bleak existence
Keeping the whole country locked up for extended times is not good for anybody but hopefully they are throwing everything at getting the first 6 or 7 groups vaccinated

Charleygirl5 Fri 15-Jan-21 16:22:19

Boz you were very lucky Jobsworth was not in charge.

Boz Fri 15-Jan-21 15:35:36

I attended a local Vaccination Centre with my 81 yr old H. and quietly asked if they could do my as well (I am 77). They were most obliging and I got my jab! Well worth the run to a large Centre where they have good stock.

Casdon Mon 11-Jan-21 17:32:18

I completely understand Greeneyedgirl. I’m sure that she will be prioritised as soon as they have the vaccine, but it’s a very worrying time for all of us with very elderly parents, particularly those who have carers. The carers near me are getting their vaccines now, because they are able to travel to a mass vaccination centre, I think that’s happening everywhere now too.

Greeneyedgirl Mon 11-Jan-21 17:24:38

Thanks Casden you are right about access, but I hope she and her Carers aren’t left as an after thought. A carer looking after her has recently tested positive, so mum’s had a narrow escape.

I know she has had a long life and younger Carers should be a priority, but I don’t want her to suffer an unnecessary, preventable awful death from Covid when vaccines are available.

GagaJo Mon 11-Jan-21 16:42:55

Hetty58

If they ever go 24 hour, I'd be quite willing to turn up for the unpopular 3 am slot. I can catch up with sleep anytime!

Greeneyedgirl, it's very patchy, with different areas doing their own thing, right now, according to supplies and staff availability.

At least, any 'celebrity' who publicly announces that they've had the jab (or, better still, is filmed having it) might just influence the reluctant ones.

Me too Hetty. Anytime, anywhere.

Callistemon Mon 11-Jan-21 16:16:10

Or because they have the storage facilities as Casdon said,

Callistemon Mon 11-Jan-21 16:15:09

Greeneyedgirl

Just seen on Twitter that Stanley Johnson has had 2nd vaccine. My 96yr old wheelchair bound mother with carers 4 times a day hasn’t even had appointment for her first!

I posted on another thread that my friends have had 1st and 2nd doses already (neither are 80 or have health problems).
It must be dependent on whether surgeries were quick off the mark in applying, I think.

Casdon Mon 11-Jan-21 16:14:25

Sadly Greeneyedgirl there’s a reason why your mum won’t have had her vaccine yet. Housebound patients are a very high priority for GP practices once they get their vaccine supplies, as the district nurses will be going to their homes to administer them.
However, most GP practices don’t have any vaccine yet, as only Astra-Zeneca vaccine can be stored in the fridges that GP practices have, very few practices have freezers needed for the Pfizer vaccine, which is batched in bulk, is unstable when unfrozen and designed for mass vaccination methods. I hope your mum doesn’t have to wait for much longer, we are promised more Astra-Zeneca vaccine shortly.

Greeneyedgirl Mon 11-Jan-21 16:10:38

Everyone is my health area have been informed that they can’t have their second vacc. so it will just cause resentment I think.

Hetty58 Mon 11-Jan-21 16:03:58

If they ever go 24 hour, I'd be quite willing to turn up for the unpopular 3 am slot. I can catch up with sleep anytime!

Greeneyedgirl, it's very patchy, with different areas doing their own thing, right now, according to supplies and staff availability.

At least, any 'celebrity' who publicly announces that they've had the jab (or, better still, is filmed having it) might just influence the reluctant ones.

Greeneyedgirl Mon 11-Jan-21 15:48:00

Just seen on Twitter that Stanley Johnson has had 2nd vaccine. My 96yr old wheelchair bound mother with carers 4 times a day hasn’t even had appointment for her first!

Callistemon Sun 10-Jan-21 16:15:06

One of these clever people who have no idea how life works^ ?
Peasblossom ?

Could it be that like my dear stepmother if they have a 3pm appointment she likes to turn up at 2.30 just in case
Rosie I turned up for a hospital appointment 30 minutes early, because it's a long way, there was scarcely any traffic and we found a parking space.
I wasn't allowed in; it was bitterly cold, the car park was a distance away but they did take pity on me and let me in. Temperature checked, given a mask, hand sanitizer and spaced chairs all of which were wiped down between patients.
I suppose it was better than being told I was late! Although I had to wait for an hour and a half to be seen.

To name but a few aspects. I’d like to see him try and achieve it safely and effectively in 5 days Me too

I assume the Covid vaccination procedure will need similar precautions and this all takes time, as well as the fact the the person receiving the vaccine is supposed to stay for 15 minutes afterwards to make sure they dont have a reaction.

It is a production line but one which must have all the H&S procedures in place.