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Rate of vaccination

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MawBe Sun 10-Jan-21 20:12:55

It doesn’t actually make me feel any better and I am very sorry for any Grans currently living in France - but we don’t seem to be the worst at rolling out the vaccine by a long shot.
I read today that by last Tuesday, France had still only managed to vaccinate 8,000 people, to growing anger in the country.
It seems to be a combination of logistical ineptitude and lack of political courage which has resulted in France languishing at the penultimate spot on the global vaccination tables. By yesterday, 80,000 French citizens had been vaccinated, just ahead of Mexico at 67,468. By comparison the US has vaccinated 6.69 million, Israel 1.69 million and the UK over 1.3 million.
Apparently the French government, despite belatedly enlisting the costly help of consultants from McKinsey, never thought through the supply chain requiring superfreezers capable of stocking the Pfizer vaccine, and by early January had only deployed 24 of the 100-plus available in the country. It had made assumptions that other vaccines that did not require freezers, especially France’s Sanofi, would be available. But Sanofi, despite being one of the six suppliers included in the mass EU purchasing process, gives December as the earliest date by which its vaccine might be fit for distribution.
Then this was compounded by the decision, at every level, to appease French anti-vaxxers. The Ministère de la Santé, alone in the world, concocted a 45-page “vaccination codebook” that made it mandatory to obtain consent during a GP visit, after which four days of “retraction time” were required before anyone was actually vaccinated.
Meanwhile they also decided against opening vaccination centres and further refused to let pharmacists take part. Instead, French vaccination authorities were trotted out to explain that a “slow pace” was much better to “study effects”.

I did not know that there was such a strong anti-vaxx lobby in France, it is estimated that around 50% of the population have indicated they will not have it.
How on earth can we get on top of Covid on a global basis when a developed First-World country seems set to be a weak link in the chain?

janeainsworth Sun 10-Jan-21 20:23:20

MawBe I can’t comment on the behaviour of the French Government in rolling out the vaccine, but France being a largely Catholic country may explain the reluctance of some French people to have the vaccine.

In November there was a post on Facebook that was viewed 160,000 times, claiming that the vaccines were made from the cells of aborted foetuses.
The Astra-Zeneca vaccine does have a link to foetal material, albeit a foetus which was legally aborted in 1973. The cells have been cloned in the laboratory & used in research many times since then.

This fact-checking article explains it all.

BlueSky Sun 10-Jan-21 20:47:40

Jane I don’t think that’s the main reason. I think mainly people are weary of a vaccine which seems to have been rushed out, plus the weird stories about the DNA with the Pfizer one. In Europe they also have their own version so perhaps they’ll have more confidence in that one? Unfortunately we do need people to trust these vaccines on a worldwide basis for any chance of success.

Lucretzia Sun 10-Jan-21 20:49:41

I read that up to 58% of the French were refusing the vaccine.

They have a mountain to climb

MawBe Sun 10-Jan-21 20:53:52

According to The Guardian, the Sanofi vaccine is not likely to be ready for another 11 months
A coronavirus vaccine being developed by GlaxoSmithKline and its French partner, Sanofi, will be delayed until the end of next year after trials revealed it failed to produce a strong immune response in older people.
The drug companies hoped to have regulatory approval for the candidate vaccine in the first half of 2021, but interim results from a phase 1/2 trial showed an “insufficient” response in the over-50s, the age group most vulnerable to severe Covid-19
The results released on Friday are a stark reminder that despite a flurry of positive results from vaccines produced by Pfizer/BioNTech, NIH/Moderna and Oxford University/AstraZeneca, developing effective vaccines at speed is no simple task
In those aged 18- to 49-years-old, the GSK/Sanofi vaccine produced an immune response similar to that seen in patients who recovered from Covid-19, but in older adults companies reported a “low immune response … likely due to an insufficient concentration of the antigen”. The antigen is the viral protein that primes the immune system to fight coronavirus
The companies will now reformulate the vaccine and launch a phase 2 trial in February with an aim to deliver approved shots in the last quarter of 2021, barring any further setbacks
Not exactly encouraging , nor is it likely to persuade the anti-vaxx lobby.

BlueSky Sun 10-Jan-21 21:15:39

Yes Maw it does look worrying. Let’s hope they’ll trust our Oxford AZ.

Jaxjacky Sun 10-Jan-21 21:16:57

France has one of the lowest rates of flu vaccinations. In 2018 compulsory vaccination certificates were introduced for children to attend school.
I’m unsure why their uptake is so low in general.

Fennel Mon 11-Jan-21 17:38:52

Maybe it's because of their belief in the right of each individual to think independently.
"My opinion is just as valid as anyone else's". Liberty Equality Fraternity.
France is a strongly socialist country.

Lucretzia Mon 11-Jan-21 17:41:47

Well it will be a very sick strongly socialist country if they don't buck up.

BlueSky Mon 11-Jan-21 18:11:00


Maybe it's because of their belief in the right of each individual to think independently.
"My opinion is just as valid as anyone else's". Liberty Equality Fraternity.
France is a strongly socialist country.

Please Fennel don’t say that right now! We already have plenty of examples of people ‘thinking independently’!