Contrasting images on BBC news demonstrate different face of Coronavirus

It could be in The Guardian tomorrow for all we know Pipp
It’s a public forum after all, and we have no say in who reads it or who publishes it.

There certainly seems to be a good sale in sledges on our local FB page. I hope the kids have a lovely bit of exercise while the snow is here.

Could someone tell me what this sort of thread provides to anyone? It's a lot of people telling other people what to do when the others are never going to know anything about it.

Its easy to say we all have to do the right thing and we all know what it is, and it's then easy to demonise those who don't.

Priti Patel on the briefing the other night kept saying that people should only exercise alone, while the rule is that people in England can exercise with other people from their household or bubble, or with one person from another household. If the Home Secretary doesn't take the time to get the rules right, who else do we blame but the government?

It is understandable why they want to be out playing.

I'm sure there must be many people, isolated in their homes, perhaps alone, older people too, who would like to be out playing rather than staying in, doing the right thing and perhaps also suffering.

There aren’t enough police to always enforce the rules though ( they can’t be everywhere) and then you get some forces being over zealous and some just basically giving in .....like the assembled crowds in the street for the Spurs/Marine football game.
The police made no attempt to disperse them, but seemed to police it as a normal event.
We have to do the right thing, and we all know what it is.

Oh my. I really do dislike conversations that lead to "these people" comments. We all know where they lead.

It's obviously outside the relevant laws and advice we are supposed to follow but it is also possible to understand why they wanted to be out there playing. Of all the things people have done this must surely, by it's very nature, be socially distanced.

If it were true that everybody always did the right thing, there would be no need for enforcement agencies. It is the responsibility of government to ensure that rules/laws are enforced.

It’s clear what we should all be doing, the answer lies with us, the population, not the government.
People continuing to do what they want regardless is at the heart of the infection/transmission.

Franbern
Fake news at its worse!!!
So, I also view with a little cynicism press pictures!!!
Possibly some of what you say is true
But it was not a BBC video, it was taken by a shocked passerby.

I was thinking how hard it must be for young people at the moment. Had I been unfortunate enough to be maybe 15 or 18 yrs old this last year, do not think I would have been very good at continuing to obey all the ever-changing rules.
Probably many of them do, but they also need to care for themselves sometimes, and their own mental health.

So they may ignore the rules?
Mixed messages there

THEY are the real culprits in this
We could all say that of course and disobey the rules, blaming the government which made them. It's a good get-out clause.

But they did make these rules:

Exercise
You can continue to exercise alone, with one other person or with your household or support bubble. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.You should maintain social distancing.

It seems reasonably clear to me.

My posts to you, Callistemon, were nothing but supportive.

It wasn't you who said that or attacked me, Maggiemaybe

the hordes that couldn't give a damn.

"Compliance with the rules is at highest point since first lockdown" says UCL.

Just saying.....

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-compliance-with-restrictions-at-highest-point-since-first-lockdown-new-data-reveals-12186138

Alegrias-----It's they who'll suffer and go on to infect others, nothing to do with how I feel personally. Not in my backyard, eh ?
I'm not being manipulated in any way, nor will you find me angry I was merely describing the hordes that couldn't give a damn.

Well this is fun.

Gwyneth said those who don’t share her views might feel differently if they had relatives working on a Covid ward.

I answered:

Perhaps we have, Gwyneth. Most of us keep our personal details to ourselves and you don’t know our circumstances.

Simply pointing out that you don’t know whether we have or not.

You’re obviously having fun sniping at me though, Gwyneth and Washerwoman for what I haven’t said, so do please carry on. I’m out.

My posts to you, Callistemon, were nothing but supportive.

Apology accepted FannyCornforth

Too right Rosie

I would back you all the way with your right to do that Callistemon


Please accept my apologies for earlier
As I said from the start, all this disagreement isn't good for anyone.
Best wishes to everyone on this thread - I'm sure that we're all doing our best in terrible times.

Callistemon I absolutely agree you should be able to drive a short distance to a decent outdoor area where you can walk with ease in fresh air.
Rosie51 Thank you

Maggiemaybe

And yes, we do have the right to disagree with you.

We do have the right to different opinions and the right to Express them within guidelines.

But, I hope, without being told we are horrible and judgemental, a personal attack but cleverly disguised.

Rosie51

Alegrias1 I'm not on twitter so wouldn't have seen that thread, but I do agree with his thoughts, especially about establishing a negative norm. Setting one against another deflects from the hotchpotch of rules, which often don't seem to have any logic, let alone science behind them. Some seem particularly specific. I did wonder at the bubble exemption of if you had a child aged under 1 on December 2nd. Wonder who on earth that could benefit?
Callistemon I absolutely agree you should be able to drive a short distance to a decent outdoor area where you can walk with ease in fresh air.

I like this post Rosie51

Likewise, I didn't appreciated being told, by another poster, to read another's (excellent) account of being hospitalised with Covid.
Sorry you didn't appreciate my suggestion, FannyCornforth
You can name and shame me, I don't mind at all.

There's no need to report the thread either.
Like Algerias, I've seen far worse.

Washerwoman I hadn't seen your last post when I typed mine above this. I had no idea it had been arranged. That is very wrong, I'd assumed it was spontaneous.

Of course the snowball fight was wrong under the lockdown, but I think it was a spontaneous response to weather conditions, not an organised event. It doesn't mean none of them care about other people, maybe just thoughtless behaviour rather than a conscious decision?
They would have been in the area legitimately if out for exercise, it's the activity that breached the rules about socialising. Hopefully being outdoors will mean absolute minimum spread, although with this new variant we can't be sure.
For the record I do have frontline nursing members in my family. Their first cry is they want people to wear masks, and wash their hands. And they'd like masks to be compulsory the moment you step outside your home, not just enclosed spaces.

The MSM have got into a pattern of showing us people suffering in hospital or care homes, followed by pictures of other people apparently breaking the rules.

I absolutely detest the hospital scenes. We don't need to see dying people and crying nurses. The rationale that is put forward by some on here is that if only people knew what suffering was like, then everyone would follow the rules! Well if that would work, I'd say go for it. But it's not working, is it? The more people end up in hospital, and the more images we get shown of crowded beaches and snowball fights.

I'd rather see the news interrogating the government about why they didn't anticipate a second wave properly and strengthen the NHS to cope with it. Or asking them why they are refusing 77% of the applications for self-isolation support, thus dis-incentivising people from doing the right thing. But no, we get alarming pictures of the tiny minority of people who aren't sticking to the letter of the law, because it stirs up discontent and diverts attention from the government's handing of this pandemic. Its lazy, sensationalist journalism.

Look at the link I posted, as Rosie51 has done. Reicher is a professor of human behaviour and advises SAGE. He talks sense.

I only said that because this snowball fight was about 200 organised by social media .Not a few mates throwing an impromptu snowball. In this particularly harrowing week it does seem rather insulting to exhausted NHS workers.And many other professions working harder than ever ,parents are strung out with home schooling etc.I feel very sorry that youngsters are having school,college uni experiences curtailed.Our neighbours lovely teenagers missing so much.Our own DGC.But best stop there as that's probably too much personal information. But sometimes how else can you express your frustration other than saying you have a personal link to a situation?No doubt I will get told.

Yes washerwoman it appears that like me you are giving out personal information about your family on social media!! I’m missing something too if posters can say they are a teacher or whatever . Can I also say that I have the utmost respect and gratitude for your relative who is working in ICU we owe them so much.