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Second vaccine dose timing

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GagaJo Thu 21-Jan-21 07:05:13

Everything I have read in the media points to the 2nd dose needing to be within a certain time frame which the government are ignoring.

What is the REAL evidence of this reducing the efficacy of the vaccine?

And is there a petition to be signed about this, to force a debate in parliament?

Alexa Tue 26-Jan-21 09:52:06

There is insufficient time to do lengthy testing of the most effective interval between vaccinations. So we must trust the current received theory about the how many weeks or days is best.
Please be assured any interval within reason is better than no second vaccine.

Sparkling Wed 27-Jan-21 07:08:48

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Lucca Wed 27-Jan-21 08:11:03

Of course it affects gagajo she is British and has a daughter and grandson living in the UK.

I now understand your comment on gagajo thread about capitol incident.

Are we only allowed to display interest in the country we live in ?

GagaJo Wed 27-Jan-21 09:40:28

Do we know what the production problems that are referred to in the article are?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-Jan-21 09:51:42

Sparkling

Garajo, I don't think many of us on here, well no one actually, is on a Swiss social site and commenting on their handling of the crisis , your criticism of our government is not for you to comment on if it doesn't effect you. No one has a better health service than this country, they are working flat out to help the most people they can, they don't need negativity, from abroad, life's hard enough as it is. People are doing the best they can. I trust you have now had all your vaccines where you live and are vocal in their handling of things.

Don’t be silly sparkling

Lucca Thu 28-Jan-21 07:22:25

No reply from sparkling to two comments yesterday ???

Esspee Thu 28-Jan-21 09:21:08

Interesting the way that some people deliberately misinterpret repeated factual assertions that even two vaccinations 3 week’s apart are not designed to stop you contracting Covid.

NO COVID VACCINE PREVENTS COVID. The ones so far tested were never expected or designed to stop you contracting the virus.

NO COVID VACCINE MAKES YOU IMMUNE. They were designed to alert your immune system so that when attacked you have a heightened means to fight back.

Properly vaccinated with a three week gap you can still catch the virus. The resulting infection should be less severe and possibly asymptomatic.

As for what will result from widening the gap between vaccinations - nobody knows. It has not been tried and tested. It is an ongoing experiment.

Franbern Thu 28-Jan-21 11:38:25

Lucca

No reply from sparkling to two comments yesterday ???

And, we in the UK are the Guinea Pigs. Just wish the media would stop talking about numbers vaccinated - when all they mean is that they have just received the first dose of any vaccine. Reported numbers of those vaccinated should only be those who have received both doses (eg: father of PM)!!!

Rosie51 Thu 28-Jan-21 13:19:55

Esspee, may I ask what your qualifications are to be making the statement no covid vaccine makes you immune? I've been following Dr John Campbell for a year now and have a different understanding from him. Yes you can still catch the virus because only a percentage will gain full immunity. If you are unlucky enough to be in the 5% to 10% ( depending on the particular vaccine) to catch the virus then you are correct that it should be a less severe illness.

Esspee Thu 28-Jan-21 14:39:36

Rosie51. The simplest statement I can find on the subject is on the government publication “What to expect after your COVID-19 vaccination” and I quote:-

“The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. We do not yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus, but we do expect it to reduce this risk”

Please note this was published when the jabs were scheduled for a 3 week gap. It does NOT refer to the current ‘probably 12 weeks if we have supplies’ scenario.

Lucca Thu 28-Jan-21 14:43:56

Franbern

Lucca

No reply from sparkling to two comments yesterday ???

And, we in the UK are the Guinea Pigs. Just wish the media would stop talking about numbers vaccinated - when all they mean is that they have just received the first dose of any vaccine. Reported numbers of those vaccinated should only be those who have received both doses (eg: father of PM)!!!

I was referring to sparkling challenging gagajo on her right to comment !!

Mollygo Thu 28-Jan-21 16:05:47

I keep seeing posts here and on FB about the false impression given by daily vaccination figures. I’ve just spent over an hour phoning round people (mixture of neighbours/ family/ friends/ choir members) about what they thought the figures represented. One ‘don’t know’ and the rest said they thought it meant first dose, so they aren’t being misled.
If it means people have had the first vaccine that’s fine by me. It gives me an idea of how far down the list we are.
They could change the wording to say ‘had first dose’ instead of vaccinated. I expect that will happen when a sizeable number have had the second dose, but it will be very upsetting for those who haven’t even had one jab.
My sister in law in Germany messaged me to say they’d been told that they wouldn’t be getting the vaccine because it was only for under 65’s. I looked it up and that refers to the AstraZeneca vaccine. She reckons it’s because the older folk are a drain on the economy, rather than the vaccine not working.?

Esspee Thu 28-Jan-21 16:49:11

Mollygo. Some people (e.g. Boris’s dad) have had both. The rest are going to be left to take part in the unique medical experiment without their permission while the rest of the world looks on aghast.
Not only does this country lead the world in deaths per population but in abject stupidity in conducting a drug trial using an untested regime.

Mollygo Thu 28-Jan-21 17:13:41

The rest of the world looks on aghast? I’m quite sure the media could produce statistics and reports to show that, if you say so.
However, my brother and Sister-in-law in Germany wish they had the chance to get a vaccine.
Friends/family in the US, Australia and France and Madagascar, wish they had our chance, and also that there were not so many Covid deniers/vaccine refusers where they live.

janeainsworth Thu 28-Jan-21 18:09:13

the rest of the world looks on aghast
Well exclude me from your wild generalisations please, esspee.

I’m quite prepared to believe Jonathan Van-Tam and other expert opinions that the 12-week interval won’t cause any problems, and that there is evidence that the Astra-Zeneca vaccine is more effective with a longer interval.

biba70 Thu 28-Jan-21 18:24:25

Whitewavemark2

Sparkling

Garajo, I don't think many of us on here, well no one actually, is on a Swiss social site and commenting on their handling of the crisis , your criticism of our government is not for you to comment on if it doesn't effect you. No one has a better health service than this country, they are working flat out to help the most people they can, they don't need negativity, from abroad, life's hard enough as it is. People are doing the best they can. I trust you have now had all your vaccines where you live and are vocal in their handling of things.

Don’t be silly sparkling

I am, thanks Sparkling.

This kind of post is so totally out of order- questionning the right of commenting due to nationality or current abode. Bordering on racism.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-Jan-21 18:32:18

I’m booked for my first vaccine on Sunday.

It is the Pfizer vaccine according to the nurse who phoned to book me in.

I’ll ask about the time interlude. I don’t expect the person doing the jab will know but I’ll give it a go.

Mollygo Thu 28-Jan-21 18:33:25

Good news! Good news!
Following concerns raised on GN, the BBC news about Vaccination on the news tonight specifically mentioned first doses given!

Lucca Thu 28-Jan-21 18:35:37

Anyone not had their vaccine and think they are due.my sister says you just go on the nhs website fill in the form And you get an appointment (if you’re eligible obviously). She got one for tomorrow plus second one in April !!! Depressing that it’s the three months.

janeainsworth Thu 28-Jan-21 18:39:51

This kind of post is so totally out of order- questionning the right of commenting due to nationality or current abode. Bordering on racism
GN deleted it Biba if you look back on the thread.
For some reason they didn’t delete Whitewave’s post which quoted the deleted post.

LucyLocket55 Thu 28-Jan-21 18:40:58

I’ve just been called in for my first jab on Saturday (I’m 65 and live in Bucks) and my mother (aged 87 and lives in MK) her sister (aged 90 lives in Norfolk) her other sister (aged 80 and lives in Glos) have all had both doses within 3 weeks.

Lucca Thu 28-Jan-21 18:42:59

janeainsworth

^This kind of post is so totally out of order- questionning the right of commenting due to nationality or current abode. Bordering on racism^
GN deleted it Biba if you look back on the thread.
For some reason they didn’t delete Whitewave’s post which quoted the deleted post.

Recently they have been quite remiss about deleting posts which quote deleted posts.

Lucca Thu 28-Jan-21 18:43:21

Glad it was deleted though

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-Jan-21 18:46:55

I expect mine will get deleted now. ?

MissAdventure Thu 28-Jan-21 18:49:11

I'm still trying to book my vaccine.