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The government is about to tell us that schools are safe

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GagaJo Fri 19-Feb-21 16:05:54

It's being reported that the government are about to embark on a two week PR campaign claiming that schools are safe. We've already seen hints of it in that Warwick report that was widely misreported as showing schools don't fuel community transmission (majorly pissing off the author who advocates a cautious return to schools).

The ONS random sampling survey graphs released today are amazing. They show a huge reduction in the infection rates due to lockdown, but the most incredible reduction is in the infection rate of secondary school children. They've gone from being the most infected subset of the population by far, to the 2nd least (behind 70+). It's clear that despite arguments that secondary kids were catching covid out of school (sleepovers, hanging around in parks etc), this just isn't true and the lack of mitigation measures in secondary schools allowed covid to run riot.

We can't re-open in the same way as in September. That would be madness. People will say that it's fine, vulnerable people are being vaccinated and kids don't get it badly BUT what is not acknowledged is that kids aren't being vaccinated, a lot of their teachers won't be by March 8th, nor their parents and so we still need to keep infection levels down. In addition, rampant covid is incredibly disruptive to education. Teachers off for weeks, kids off isolating, some kids in, some kids out...Sept to Dec was a mess that we should be trying our best to avoid repeating. Vaccinations don't address that issue at all.

Community levels are low, but then they were low in September. Pubs, restaurants and non-essential shops are shut now, but we want to be able to open them. We cannot rely on community levels remaining low to stop covid getting into schools and proliferating.

We need to be careful, because certainly secondary schools aren't safe to re-open. Remember to the week before Christmas when school attendance plummeted in Kent and London? In one LA, secondary attendance was at 17%. And yet the DfE decided to threaten schools that wanted to close early to stop the spread with legal action. The schools were right, and the DfE was wrong. Gavin Williamson can't be trusted to have sensible conversations about safety, he's more interested in bully-boy tactics and setting himself up in opposition to teachers and schools.

What can be done? Is there is room to open schools in some way on March 8th? Primaries could go back and exam years back for three weeks, then Easter could be used to examine the impact of the full primary re-opening .

Secondary is a different kettle of fish and should be treated separately. Secondaries were a massive risk for transmission. The word 'bubble' should never be used in reference to secondary schools again, as 'bubble' means a group of people who all have to isolate if one of them catches covid, which went in the bin in secondary around the end of September.

So if the government messaging is as it has been: schools are safe and no additional measures to contain the spread in secondary are needed then they are lying and our kids deserve a more consistent and sustainable education than they got from September.

Fingers crossed they are more sensible than we have previously seen.

Franbern Sat 20-Feb-21 15:20:42

'Left Wing Union - what a load of rubbish. Just means that the government is already getting its ducks in a row for the problems that are going to be caused by them NOT following the advice of these professionals.

These are the Unions involved --Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL), GMB, National Association of Head Teachers (NAHT), NASUWT, National Education Union (NEU), National Governance Association (NGA), Sixth Form Colleges Association (SFCA), Unison, and Unite.

growstuff Sat 20-Feb-21 15:40:26

I agree with you trisher. I know more about secondary schools and you're right. Years 11 and 13 have had a really bad deal, which has been especially traumatic for Year 13, as they apply for higher education places or employment. Most of their GCSE and A level courses have been disrupted.

Schools were originally told that they would have to test all pupils and spent their Christmas holidays making arrangements - then that was cancelled. They still don't know how many pupils will be returning and how many will need to be tested or who is going to do the testing.

Whatever they are told to do needs to be sustainable to give some consistency, which having all pupils back wouldn't be.

Apparently Chris Whitty has advised that pupils shouldn't all return on 8 March. I wonder if the BBC will call him "left wing" too. If he's overruled, I hope he's brave enough to resign and speak out.

Franbern Sun 21-Feb-21 09:00:04

One of my g.daughters (year 13) has received all her offers from the uni's to which she applied. Will now complete her UCAS form showing first choice and insurance choice)l.

So, she knows what she needs to achieve with her A level results, however neither she nor her school have any idea as to how these will be examined. and made. These last few months of A levels are stressful enough for these youngsters, without this added worry.

growstuff Sun 21-Feb-21 12:41:06

Starmer has taken leave of his senses!

labourlist.org/2021/02/sunday-shows-starmer-backs-full-reopening-of-schools-on-march-8th/

Franbern Mon 22-Feb-21 16:30:47

As prophecied, no notice whatsoever has been taken of the advice by all the teaching unions, neither has anything been mentioned about prioritising all educational staff for receiving the vaccinations.
Nor....has anything at all been mentioned as to how year 11 and Year 13 students are to achieve their grades. With so much stress for this age group,this is making it so much more difficult for them.

Sarnia Mon 22-Feb-21 16:38:24

I have mentioned on GN before that teachers, amongst others, should be vaccinated early on. I am not saying that older people don't matter; I am one myself, but it makes sense to me that by giving teachers the vaccine they would have a degree of protection and schools could get back, gradually, to some sort of normality. I appreciate we can't just fling open the doors and off we go but students of all ages need to get back to the whole package that school provides.

growstuff Mon 22-Feb-21 19:04:13

Franbern

As prophecied, no notice whatsoever has been taken of the advice by all the teaching unions, neither has anything been mentioned about prioritising all educational staff for receiving the vaccinations.
Nor....has anything at all been mentioned as to how year 11 and Year 13 students are to achieve their grades. With so much stress for this age group,this is making it so much more difficult for them.

Schools do know how grades will be calculated. They will be based on teacher assessments. Schools can decide for themselves how they calculate the grades, but are being sent "mini exams" which they can use to inform their judgments. The exam boards won't require any evidence from schools. Pupils will be able to challenge the grades, but only if they have evidence. Last year, schools weren't willing to budge on their assessments.

The only proviso is that grades must be awarded in line with a school's past performance, which is what caused the anomalies last year. It will favour pupils who go to high-performing schools and schools with small exam groups, which are usually private schools. It will disadvantage pupils at large colleges and improving schools/colleges.

Urmstongran Mon 22-Feb-21 19:26:09

Labour agrees with the return on 8 March. What will he think of pressure by the teaching unions?

growstuff Mon 22-Feb-21 19:30:20

Urmstongran

Labour agrees with the return on 8 March. What will he think of pressure by the teaching unions?

That's why I posted somewhere (can't remember which thread) that Keir Starmer has taken leave of his senses.

Labour is relying on feedback from focus groups of former Labour turned Conservative voters.

GrannyRose15 Mon 22-Feb-21 20:28:23

Sara1954

It seems to me that at least 50% of pupils are in school anyway. I don’t know if that’s across the country, but it’s certainly the case where we live.
So I’m not sure it will make an enormous amount of difference if they are all back, I think the children who remain at home are being seriously disadvantaged, and the teachers are struggling to teach a class of children, while trying to teach their online pupils.

I think you have a good point there. At my local primary school, half of school age pupils are attending and all of those in nursery classes. So the school, as a whole, is more than half full already.

GrannyRose15 Mon 22-Feb-21 20:35:05

Next, the government will be telling us that shopping is safe, followed by eating out, pubs, entertainment, holidays etc. Will we be stupid enough to believe them?

And after that they will tell us that living in safe. And we all know that isn't true. Living has a 100% mortality rate.

growstuff Mon 22-Feb-21 20:42:53

Sara1954

It seems to me that at least 50% of pupils are in school anyway. I don’t know if that’s across the country, but it’s certainly the case where we live.
So I’m not sure it will make an enormous amount of difference if they are all back, I think the children who remain at home are being seriously disadvantaged, and the teachers are struggling to teach a class of children, while trying to teach their online pupils.

It makes a huge amount of difference because it means that there is space for pupils to socially distance.

There is no need for the pupils at home to have online lessons 100% of the time, so the teachers could alternate and work a rota system.

The obsession with having all pupils in an unsafe environment is dangerous.