Looking forward to the ‘roadmap’

suziewoozie

growstuff

Did you read what the JVCI has written?

Yes - the JCVI are nothing at all to do with licensing and their wording makes it clear the onus is on the individual clinician. When a doctor prescribes a licensed drug as long as a/he follows the terms of the licence, s/he has nothing more to prove in terms of appropriate clinical conduct. However with a drug used off label they would have to prove much more .

Maybe the MHRA has written more. It would only involve a very tiny percentage of children and I would hope that there would have been some discussion (but what do I know? What seems bloody obvious to me sometimes just doesn't happen.)

For the JCVI to have written what they did, must mean that use in some children hasn't been ruled out.

songstress60

I just want an end to social distancing and masks when we are all vaccinated. Social distancing should NEVER be the new normal like they are trying to say. Had my vaccination last month and the nurse said things will never be the same again and that social distancing is here to stay. That's what I want a return back to normal. What was the point of the vaccine if there is no return to normal.

In my (very humble) opinion, I think masks should stay for many more months, until the situation is much clearer.

This is what the government wrote in the Green Book (on 12 Feb 2021):

Children

SARS-CoV-2 vaccine trials have only just begun in children and there are, therefore, very limited data on safety and immunogenicity in this group. Children and young people have a very low risk of COVID-19, severe disease or death due to SARS-CoV-2 compared to adults and so COVID-19 vaccines are not routinely recommended for children and young people under 16 years of age.

Children under 16 year of age, even if they are CEV, are at low risk of serious morbidity and mortality, and, given the absence of safety and efficacy data on the vaccine, are not
recommended for vaccination. Limited data suggest that children with neurological comorbidities may be at a greater risk of developing severe COVID-19.

Given the very high risk of exposure to infection and outbreaks in institutional settings, vaccination may be considered for children with severe neuro-disabilities who tend to get recurrent respiratory tract infections and who frequently spend time in specialised residential care settings for children with complex needs. As older children have higher risk of acquiring and becoming sick from infection and there are some safety data on the Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 in children aged 12 years and older, vaccination of older children in these settings should be considered using any of the approved vaccines. The use of the current vaccines below the age of the authorisation in these children at high risk, in line with the advice of JCVI, would be compatible with "offlicense" use as outlined in the Regulation 174 conditions.

Recommendations on vaccinating children with other underlying conditions will be reviewed after the initial roll-out phase by which time additional data on use of the vaccines in adults should allow a better assessment of risks and benefits.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/961287/Greenbook_chapter_14a_v7_12Feb2021.pdf

Yes that’s compatible with my understanding of the current position re children. I expect the BMA and the Medical Defence Unions have issued advice.

They really should have vaccinated the teachers first.
The 80year old could have waited a little longer as they mainly stay at home any way.
In fact, all front line workers should have been given priority.
I feel so sorry for police, teachers, doctors and nurses etc.
They are really up against it with little or no protection and once again, I’m citing policemen who have idiots spitting at them. It’s really hand s on with them.

I will be glad children are going back to school.
We have to start somewhere .

Hairdressers from 12th April all being well !

Agree with you Misty 34 - there hasn’t been nearly enough time to determine whether the vaccine is sufficiently protective for all ages.

FarNorth sorry doesn’t show, dated November when pubs were open.
Laura yes, of course I agree on supermarkets being essential and pubs not. I just get fed up with pubs and restaurants being assumed Covid hotspots when they had rigorous rules and were not. I agree with school staff being a priority, DD works in a school.

I don’t envy the police on 21 June?

I don’t assume any particular place is a hotspot. I just don’t understand the importance some people place on the opening of pubs. They’d be way down on my list of priorities, along with theatres, cinemas and any other non vital indoor activity.

I just hope that Boris will not send all the children back to school in one go, he really needs to do it bit by bit but he is a PM who wants to be popular and my guess is all back in one go. Looking forward to being able to go further afield for a day out.

Completely agree Whitewave, it’ll be a policing nightmare. We can only hope that the police are prioritised for vaccination along with other vital groups such as firefighters, checkout operators and teachers.

LauraNorder

I don’t assume any particular place is a hotspot. I just don’t understand the importance some people place on the opening of pubs. They’d be way down on my list of priorities, along with theatres, cinemas and any other non vital indoor activity.

I expect they are doing their best to enable these businesses to make a living. They are already some of the last to open do you expect them to be able to stay closed indefinitely
It may not be vital to some but it may well be to those whose livelihoods depend on income

I wish all school staff had been vaccinated before schools return - very big mistake/missed opportunity.

I think hairdressers, dog groomers and non essential businesses could have opened sooner because of all the safety measures they put in place. Must be awful for them with the weeks stretching ahead.

I did think this morning i might keep wearing a mask like they do in Asia to prevent other transmissions and pollution!

I would have liked a bit of travel to places if you are booked on like National Trusts.

Whitewavemark2 and LauraNorder whatever the date is when finally all social restraints are lifted there will be folks who party hard and long. I also have a feeling that not all of them will be youngsters.

LauraNorder I’m talking selfishly for our village pub which is very much part of the community, providing mech needed social interaction for a lot of older, single/widowed people. We all help each other out and regularly fund raise and it may well go under.
But, I realise the term pub includes many different establishments.

Totally agree Jaxjacky in rural areas pubs are the heart of the community, far more than somewhere to go and have a pint or a G & T.

No way should teachers (under 50 and healthy - as anyone who fitted in priority categories will have received, or will soon receive, a vaccine anyway) have jumped the queue for vaccines. As I understand it, from the government's scientific and medical advisors, to try and throw certain "priority groups" other than those already outlined, would put a cog in the works and actually slow down the vaccination programme. If the government allowed one "priority" group under 50 to jump the queue, there would be lots more clamouring for early vaccines. We are expecting to offer vaccines to ALL adults in the UK by early summer - the massive success of the rollout has speeded up the timetable considerably. Healthy teachers under 50, as with other so-called priority groups will get their vaccine in due course.

Bazza

Also, meant to say I signed an online petition today for this to happen.

There was a petition when the vaccination programme first started. It got the required number of signatures and was discussed in Westminster Hall just a few weeks back. After "due consideration " of the issue the answer came back - NO.
Basically what they said was the priority list had been decided and they saw no reason to change it.

songstress60

I just want an end to social distancing and masks when we are all vaccinated. Social distancing should NEVER be the new normal like they are trying to say. Had my vaccination last month and the nurse said things will never be the same again and that social distancing is here to stay. That's what I want a return back to normal. What was the point of the vaccine if there is no return to normal.

I agree about masks - they are so dehumanising and should be ditched at the earliest opportunity never to be seen on our streets again. I can't see them catching on permanently once restrictions are lifted.

Social distancing is a very different matter though. We have all got so used to swerving round people in the street, avoiding hugs and handshakes, and staying out of other people's houses that I think for a lot of people it will have become ingrained and it will be a very long time before we go back to the level of close contact that we had before Covid.

Masks are counter-cultural as we rely so much on facial expressions to communicate with each other, but social distancing has been the norm for most of our country's history. The curtsey and the bow ( how I wish they could be revived) were the traditional greeting until the handshake took over. And it is only very recently indeed that we have started to hug and kiss each other when we meet - it certainly wasn't the done thing when I was a child.

Why dont people just when they leave home wear a face mask
Its simple and might stop the spread of more of the virus Its air bourne and anyone coughing or sneezing etc will save anyone nearby getting the virus walking near to one another is beyond my understanding or common sence aproach.

Vaccinate Teachers Police and Care Home Staff as soon as possible Use your common sence GOVERNMENT !!!!!!

Care home staff were among the first to be offered the vaccine, along with frontline nhs staff. Not all took it up.

i don't see why there should be a difference between meeting someone outside and meeting someone in your garden.
There is no indication when you can meet anyone in your house or stay over or have we got to wait until June? Pubs and restaurants are fully open in May. Can we have someone in then?