Astrazeneca vaccine suspended..... Not proven to be linked to the jab yet, but investigations are ongoing *title edited by GNHQ*

There have been 30 reports of thrombolytic events in the EU out of 5 million vaccinations, not 30 specifically related to brain haemorrhages. Denmark reported one death, and several other patients who had low platelet counts, and there is very little evidence to support this being an issue in the events reported by other countries. Here’s a lowdown, there are lots of others online. www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-why-are-countries-suspending-the-astrazeneca-vaccine
I think it’s reassuring that there is an investigation because it shows that adverse events are taken seriously, even if as seems likely in this case the vaccine is not the cause.

Urmstongran

I’ll shut up now and let someone else have a turn.

Ok - my turn. I think we( in the widest sense of the word not GN ) should just butt out of passing criticism of other countries and their vaccine policies. We’re all sovereign counties are we not? As I’ve said earlier, I’m just sorry that other countries ( not just European ones) are not in the same position as us in terms of roll our.

I’ll shut up now and let someone else have a turn.

As an aside, the UK scientists are ‘baffled’ by this pause saying a person is MORE likely to suffer blood clots from Covid than from the vaccine.

Our daughter had 9 weeks off work before Christmas with long covid. At one stage her breathing altered, it scared her. She said inspiration felt ‘crackly’ and she was very anxious what damage Covid might be doing internally to her organs.

Long story short, an x-ray of her lungs was done later that day. The A&E doctor looked at the x-ray and said ‘well I’m happy to tell you there are no clots showing in your lungs’. That freaked her out as she hadn’t realised this might be a possibility. The doctor shrugged and said ‘it’s a new virus and we’re learning new stuff all the tine’.

Look at Kate Garraway’s poor husband.

X posts sw but yes, that’s what I meant.

I think Luckygirl the fact that these have all been brain haemorrhages is what has paused the rollout in these countries as this is a slightly more unusual finding.

All my family (so far) have received AZ with no adverse effects. Then again, I assume none of us had a pre-existing low platelet count.

Also, as Himself just said, would those with a low platelet count have had a brain clot with an alternative vaccine? We have no way of testing that theory.

Luckygirl

The number of blood clots is vanishingly small and no-one has proved a causal relationship. The number is no more than is expected in the population under normal circumstances, so there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the one causes the other.

That’s why they are pausing - not stopping - whilst they investigate. And from what Urm posted, it’s not as simple as the expected numbers of blood clots but where. My understanding would be that it’s much more likely in the final analysis to be a statistical blip given the numbers involved. It’s just a pity that this is on top of the failures in procurement and roll out. We’ll know soon enough I expect .

I had it, but I’m not worried ....que sera sera....

The number of blood clots is vanishingly small and no-one has proved a causal relationship. The number is no more than is expected in the population under normal circumstances, so there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the one causes the other.

Urmstongran

Just said now on SKY news that the 30 or so cases of blot clots is slightly more unusual in that they’ve all occurred in the BRAIN.

Which is why so many countries have paused the use of AZ.

It’s a minute percentage out of the many millions of jabs that have been administered worldwide.
But it IS a concern.

Haven’t caught up with this - will have a look, thanks. I just think the countries putting it on pause shouldn’t be scoffed at so for doing. I don’t see the Netherlands or Denmark as counties that would act uncaringly. I had AZ and am not concerned thus far.

Duh.

I read this just now and was HUGELY reassured by para. 3 ...
My underlining.

“Yesterday, the Norwegian Medicines Agency and the Norwegian Institute of Public Health (NIPH) informed about an unexpected death from a brain haemorrhage in Tynset after vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca.

Today (March 13), we received three more reports of severe cases of blood clots or brain haemorrhages in younger people who have received the AstraZeneca vaccine. These are now receiving hospital treatment.

“_Common to these patients is that they have had a reduced number of blood platelets. Blood clots and subsequent brain haemorrhages are a rare condition_.

“The NIPH has put the AstraZeneca vaccine on hold in the coronavirus immunisation programme. Now it is the Norwegian Medicines Agency's role to follow up on these suspected side effects and take the necessary measures in this serious situation,” says Geir Bukholm, Director of the Division of Infection Control and Environmental Health at the NIPH.

Just said now on SKY news that the 30 or so cases of blot clots is slightly more unusual in that they’ve all occurred in the BRAIN.

Which is why so many countries have paused the use of AZ.

It’s a minute percentage out of the many millions of jabs that have been administered worldwide.
But it IS a concern.

Would those who died would have died without the vaccine ?

I am going to have mine on Wednesday and my husband is going on Thursday. We have enough family working in medicine and pharma to trust the non profit, low cost AZ Oxford vaccine

Nothing.
There are about the same number of people experiencing blood clots after having the Pfizer vaccine.

That is about the same proportion of people as would normally experience blood clots.

Germany and France are now pausing. What is it we are not being told?

Speaking to my European friends, the fact that the AZ is also the cheapest vaccine available, equals the less efficient and safe!

Just been talking to my Spanish friend in Spain, her sister is a doctor and is fuming that they have paused this. Apparently its an "admin" thing that if concerns are raised they have to investigate. But while they investigate, the health service is prevented from administering vaccines and so the impact on people's lives is huge. If it was just a new replacement treatment for something it wouldn't be a big deal, but this is such an important new vaccine and time is of the essence. Anyway, they are hoping it gets resolved in the next couple of days

Ellianne

Do these countries have access to alternative vaccines in the quantities they need?

Pfizer but not sufficient is my understanding. I also think US hadn’t yet approved AZ but is def using Moderna

Do these countries have access to alternative vaccines in the quantities they need?

The damage has been done, even if a link is not found people won’t believe it.

My mum's sister had thrombosis so the blood problem is in the family.

Sarnia yes, it's to prevent the blood from pooling in the heart chamber where it could then send off clots around the body. Obviously the pumping mechanism isn't as good as it was. I take 5mg Bisoprolol to further control the A/fib episodes.
I've already had a mini-stroke just over 3 years ago but fortunately I wasn't affected too badly with taking warfarin and statins which probably prevented something much worse.

EllanVannin

Well I was worried a week after having had the AZ. I suffer from A/fib and hadn't had a bad episode since December 2019 when I was blue-lighted into resus---where I stayed ( wiredup ) for 6 hours until stabilized.

A week after having had the vaccination I had a really bad episode when both arms ached as well which told me there was a clot going on somewhere albeit not a severe one as my chest wasn't affected by pain. I didn't want to call the emergency services on account of catching the virus and I'd got to a point where I couldn't have cared less if I'd died . I spent the next 3 weeks being very dizzy.

I've made up my mind that I'm not going to have a second dose of vaccine on account of my blood-clotting problem as I mightn't be so lucky next time. They don't know enough about thrombotic conditions in each individual as it's not a one size fits all with blood conditions and warfarin medication.

I have A/fib too. You mention warfarin, so I assume you are taking that as a blood thinner. I am on rivaroxaban and I didn't have any after effects, thankfully. In your shoes I would have a chat to the GP. Perhaps your medication needs reviewing. Keep well.