Son and wife not having the vaccination

As a retired paediatric nurse I was not allowed to work, in fact not even hired for the job if I did not have the necessary vaccines to protect the children I cared for. I consider myself to be an open-minded person, but I will never "agree to disagree" with a person who refuses the jab. Did these people not see all the people in intensive care on ventilators with Covid??? I better stop now, or will go on forever.

I have a friend who refuses to have the vaccine. I'm afraud she has gone down the rabbit hole and believes every bit of tripe that nutcases have posted on twitter. That it will alter our DNA, cause all kinds of weird things down the line, even that it may be an excuse by the government to kill off old people and reduce population. (I think covid itself was doing a pretty good job of that!) Some people won't see logic and would rather believe utter nonsense. I don't get it. As for the tiny little possible risks (like blood clots) - there are higher risks with medicines we take routinely every day. Not to mention the risks of actual covid. It's just stupidity. I am losing patience with it.

I do agree that everyone had the right to choose what to do,but I don’t get really why anyone would choose not to be vaccinated.People seem to be weighing the risk of dying of covid against possible ( maybe there,maybe not...) long term effects of the vaccine,but what about the really quite well known long term effects of having Covid? Even possibly symptomless Covid.And the risk that if enough people refuse the vaccine,added to the people who can’t have it and those in whom it doesn’t “take” then we will get new variants,maybe more dangerous variants,and the whole thing will start up again.
( My daughter had the Astrozeneca jab and felt awful for 3-4 days,but 3-4 days while unpleasant is nothing really,a bad cold could do that, and flu used to knock me out for 10 days .Not that I’ve had that for a while ,because I get the flu jab ...)

I think that the anti vaccination movement became more entrenched with the MMR and the bad handling of the way it was enforced. Taking away a parent's choice to have the vaccinations individually, even if they paid to have it privately, rather than all at once was a hammer to crack a walnut. Couple that with the CJD fiasco, the HIV denial and similar from the Government of the day, has set up an unease from people to accept things at face value. I know that I feel that bombarding baby's immune system at a very young age has never sat comfortably with me and I have always held back for another month or so before starting the vaccination regime. My children were older when they had their first MMR vaccine but I held the youngest back until just before puberty because I was concerned about the side effects.
I can understand anybody having reservations about a vaccine hurried through the testing process. However, on balance, we chose to have our jabs because Covid was so prevalent that it seemed to be a no brainer. If they were my family, I'd probably be honest and say I had hoped they would have the vaccination but whatever they choose, I respect their right to make that choice.

A couple of my work colleagues refused to have the jab, one was a conspiracy theorist and the other said they don't need to as everyone else is having the jab so that will protect her ? also we work in care so l think it should be mandatory

Before the average person leaves her bathroom in the morning they will have put at least a 100 chemicals on their body- shampoo, conditioner, creams, make-up, etc etc.

Good grief. What on earth are they doing to get so many? It must take a lot of their time.

Not in my house but most of the products I use are basic, organic things and I hate make up.

My DS & DDL have both decided not to have the vaccine either. At first I was not very happy about it but both they and our DGS aged 12 have all had Covid this year. Fortunately apart from fatigue and joint pain with my DS they have all got over it pretty much OK as it was a very worrying time for us. My DDL unfortunately doesn’t even believe in painkillers so I new there wasn’t much hope of her having it but I did hope my DS would get it. They both been reading books (The truth about Covid ) and watching YouTube channels on conspiracy rubbish so I have given up trying to persuade him. I’m not happy either that they are both going abroad on holiday in June so have warned them we won’t be seeing them for 14 days after they return. I didn’t want the vaccine at first due to it being to ‘new’ but in the end decided to take it when offered after seeing both of them extremely ill and my brother who nearly lost his life to it and now has long covid and aneurisms through It. I’m on the at risk register and to be honest my DH and myself have had both vaccines now so that hopefully if we did unfortunately get it it wouldn’t kill us.

Sorry to hear that Missingmoominmama. I hope you recover from that soon. I worry about that as well. If you are willing to share, how old are you roughly and which brand vaccine did you have?

I am vax hesitant - but have had 1st jab!
When your out and about You will never know who has had it or not! I doubt they would rock up at your house with a sore throat or cold and maybe learn to trust in the fact they wouldn’t harm you knowingly. It’s their right not to have it.

Everyone has a right to making their own decisions on this. However, I would feel the same as you. Do you know why? I have absolutely no time whatsoever for those who believe in the silly conspiracy theories. Some people are say that the reason for not getting the vaccine is that they don't know what's in it. Before the average person leaves her bathroom in the morning they will have put at least a 100 chemicals on their body- shampoo, conditioner, creams, make-up, etc etc.

What is their reason for not having it.

Maybe withdraw childcare saying that you feel unsafe.

I wish I hadn’t had the vaccine (I’ve had both). The inflammation (and pain) in my body has got much worse since.

People have the right not to. I was unsure, but was told by work that I had to; I wish I’d just found another job tbh.

They love their holidays abroad so I will wait and see

They are entitled to refuse the vaccine it is their choice.Just as you are entitled not to meet them indoors But the chances of you getting from them is negligible in my opinion but you must do what you feel is best for you.l for one would not avoid my family because of this.
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Please tell me more about the tablet form of vaccine being developed. I have an adult autistic son who we can't get the jab into. Point blank refuses and we are unable to explain the importance to him as his autism is severe. Dr tried twice but he got very agitated and started to bite his own arm in distress. Very worried for his well being.

People are absolutely entitled to refuse the vaccine, I am completely opposed to compulsory vaccination. However people are also entitled to choose who they spend time with, who they have visit their houses. So I try not to judge those who refuse vaccines but I would most certainly not judge those who didnt want to spend time with those who refused the vaccine.

The risks of dying from Covid even for people in their 20's and 30's is many magnitudes higher than the risks of vaccination. WHO still strongly recommend vaccination for all adults. We probably all take paracetamol if we have a headache or aches and pains. Have you read the possible side effects? It is all about statistics and risk management.

Humptydumpty My apologies! the under 40's. Not reading back what I type! That was my point to the OP. Clearly more info is coming out regarding these vaccines. To think just a few weeks ago they were saying 'perfectly safe for all ages'' and now??? Her son an DIL are correct in my opinion not to have any vaccine at the present time. OP should feel glad they have made this decision. I hope my adult children give them a miss.

That was a few weeks ago. Now it has been changed to the under 30's.

love0c the under 40s I believe.

They have now decided to offer the 30's and under a different vaccine To AZ. They did not say that a few weeks ago. I would agree with your son and DIL/ Certainly be very cautious.

Just read that Covid community infection is out of control in Moray. House to house testing is going to have to be done. We must remain vigilant and not complacent if not for ourselves then for others who may be more vulnerable than they realise.

My DD said she’s not having the vaccinations. It’s her choice and I respect that. She’s not against vaccinations. She always has a bad reaction to the flu vaccine and that’s one of her worries about having the covid vaccine after reading about all the side effects. My DS had his first vaccination a week or so ago and spent two days in bed feeling absolutely awful. I’ve had both doses and the only side effect was being very tender around the injection site. I’ll still visit my daughter. She knows all the risks by not having it.

I agree it is not a killer of everyone and I know vaccination is not 100% successful. People who are vaccinated can still catch Covid. However for me it was the sensible thing to do and the best option for keeping myself , family and everyone else as safe as is possible.

Shelflife of course covid is a killer and is scary. But it isnt a killer of everyone