Vaccine Hesitancy or Lack of Covid Suppression Strategy?

So much chatter on the media - all types - about this today. Does no one have an opinion?

If I express my opinion, will it change yours?

greenlady102

If I express my opinion, will it change yours?

If you educate me on something I am not aware of, it could well do. I'm happy to learn.

Now this government appears, as is its wont, to be all out to blame vaccine hesitancy.
I haven’t seen this claim anywhere. Do you have a link, or any evidence? Thanks

I agree that there are signs of vaccine hesitancy being blamed, Hancock has said that those ill in hospital in Bolton were of the age to have had the vaccine, but had not done so for whatever reason. I suspect that if we have an upsurge due to the Indian Variant the blame will be on the shoulders of those youngsters in Liverpool who went to a long awaited concert, or those who travel to the seaside, anyone other than the government who failed to halt passengers from India. This morning at Heathrow: A1161, AC6401,TP7023,LO4504, all from Delhi, all before 08.00. Are we to believe that every one of these passengers is now in a hotel at Heathrow? In excess of 1000 passengers?

Emily49

^Now this government appears, as is its wont, to be all out to blame vaccine hesitancy^.
I haven’t seen this claim anywhere. Do you have a link, or any evidence? Thanks

It is a world wide problem, and always has been, look at the murders of health workers in Pakistan, just for giving out polio vaccines. The way some folk on here witter about it, you would think this is the only country it occurs in, Germany, vaccine hesitancy according to my sister, almost all the young, or ethnic minority, and ther is research published on this too.
www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/what-is-vaccine-hesitancy/

Vaccine hesitancy must play its part Parts of Bolton affected have a lower take up
Now we have a couple of break outs in the area where I live East of England and as my husband pointed out we could tell you where rates would increase without it being published
I agree we should have slammed the boarder shut but as these are UK residents coming back in they should have took responsibility and isolated properly If they didn’t they have a lot to answer for
Now if people don’t want the vaccine that’s fine but they are increasing the risks of more infections in the wider community

Let's blame the ordinary people. They will be blaming them for voting for Brexit next. I'm sick of these charlatans. I am so looking forward to the next lock down...

rosie1959 Tue 18-May-21 14:40:42
Vaccine hesitancy must play its part Parts of Bolton affected have a lower take up

Correlation between two variables does not and never has implied causation. You also seem to be suggesting that the lower take up is all down to vaccine hesitancy without providing a shred of evidence to show why we should believe this is the case.

I would be interested in the type of area your husband has pointed out. I would suggest these are areas of poverty, English often as a second language and there are poor transport systems for starters. To me, that would imply a lack of information, difficulty in going to centres at the times available and difficulty in reaching the centres because of poor transport availability. Nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine hesitancy. Although there may be some who are hesitant this does not turn all those who have not been vaccinated into "vaccine refuseniks" as the Tory MP called people on Politics Live today.

If, as we have been told, the system for test, trace and isolate has never recovered from being over-centralised and handed out to Serco, with no income provided to enable isolation, how can that be the fault of those coming into the country, who may or may not be returning UK residents?

We thought the next areas to have problems would be Luton and Bedford can’t say they are areas of great poverty or do they have poor transport systems
It has already been reported that they have been encouraging people in these areas to come forward and low and behold Bedford already have an increase in the Indian variant

The rates of vaccination came from the Bolton newspaper being as low as 46% in some areas
It is on Gov,uk that people coming back from India have to be UK residents If you can afford a flight to India you can afford to isolate properly

Bedford has the highest rate of positive covid cases atm doesn't it? and it isn't true it doesn't have areas of poverty. The area they said where it is highest has two hostels afaik

The Gurdwara in Queens park were vaccinating early on, as was the mosque but they had to stop due to vaccination supply. I wonder if it would have been better to just do no questions asked vaccinations like they have done in other countries. I think the issues are multifaceted tbh

Yes, we should have locked down firmly in the beginning last year.
Yes, India should have been on the red list before it was.
Yes, people who refuse the vaccine are at fault if they get the disease and also for spreading it.
It’s not either/or. It’s not that simple!

rosie1959

The rates of vaccination came from the Bolton newspaper being as low as 46% in some areas
It is on Gov,uk that people coming back from India have to be UK residents If you can afford a flight to India you can afford to isolate properly

I saw those numbers on the Yorkshire news programme. They were discussing where Yorkshire (all of it) might see the problems the have seen elsewhere.

What a shame about the the Gurdwara having to stop JaneJudge. It seems such an obvious answer to take the vaccine to the people to increase numbers.

maddyone

Yes, we should have locked down firmly in the beginning last year.
Yes, India should have been on the red list before it was.
Yes, people who refuse the vaccine are at fault if they get the disease and also for spreading it.
It’s not either/or. It’s not that simple!

So what percentage are refusing and what percentage are finding it difficult to get a vaccination maddyone?

Just to add, I'm not worried about either/or; obviously, both would be good. What I am worried about is the tendency of the Tories and those who hear what they say, to find an enemy - whether the people involved are the problem or not. There are some in the current - (from my perspective) Non-Conservative Tory party are intent on victim-blaming as a deflection from what they - in power and being paid to do the job - are doing.

Anyone else noticed though there is much fuss about this new varient but the UK dashboard is not increasing at all rates are not going up nor are deaths or hospitalizations

I wonder if there was a moment when they said that in India rosie1959

Who knows Pippa but they hadnt got the level of vacination we now have.
There would be little point in vacinating everybody that will accept it if it made no difference
And quite honestly you cant really compare the two countries

Media storm winding everyone up as usual. As if there isn't enough going on in this world...

I think if you re-read rosie1959 you will find I wasn't comparing the two countries - just a moment of what I would see as false hope. I do have trust in the vaccine (although we all know it's not 100%). The NHS and local organisation has been brilliant. I just think we will see an escalation before we get hold of it again and if we do I will not be making scapegoats of my fellow citizens.

Johnson always finds a whipping boy for his shortcomings.

PippaZ you'll be pleased to know the itv news tonight showed the Gurdwara in Queens Park, Bedford is still a vaccination centre or at least a current one

For those who aren't yet worried about how the government is handling this I suggest you listen to this interview. Some very detailed information and a none answer from the government.

twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1394693770982174723

110 direct flights from India have landed at UK airports since the country was added to the red list, amid rising concerns about the Indian Covid variant, LBC can reveal.

rosie1959

Anyone else noticed though there is much fuss about this new varient but the UK dashboard is not increasing at all rates are not going up nor are deaths or hospitalizations

But averages are hiding some significant spikes. There are a number of places where infection rates have doubled in a week. Anybody who turns a blind eye to that is a fool. We should all know by now what exponential growth is.