Reluctance of the young to be vaccinated?

I am desperately trying to get my DD to book her vaccination. She firmly believes now I've had mine it won't matter if she doesn't ?.
Unfortunately she has been listening to nonsense on social media and friends who have been scaremongering ?.....

earnshaw

why is it difficult for the young to decide what to do , no brainer to me , i did not think twice about having mine, i bet some put a lot worse than that in their bodies

I’m not sure it is “difficult”, or even just the young not being vaccinated.

They just aren’t doing what you (general) want them to do

CafeAuLait

NotSpaghetti

There is actually a person-specific risk tool somewhere that's interesting. It looks at underlying health conditions, weight, sex, etc and comes up with "personalised" info.

I haven't looked at it recently but can't be too hard to find if anyone's interested.

Found it. 0.0021% risk, or something like that.

There's a few tools out there. Another one says 0.15% chance of death from Covid for me. Close to or lower than average.

NotSpaghetti

There is actually a person-specific risk tool somewhere that's interesting. It looks at underlying health conditions, weight, sex, etc and comes up with "personalised" info.

I haven't looked at it recently but can't be too hard to find if anyone's interested.

Found it. 0.0021% risk, or something like that.

A 40 year old relative of mine is going in hospital for an operation but refuses vaccination.

Thank you for posting that Saetana

There is actually a person-specific risk tool somewhere that's interesting. It looks at underlying health conditions, weight, sex, etc and comes up with "personalised" info.

I haven't looked at it recently but can't be too hard to find if anyone's interested.

My children are 17 and they, and their friends, cannot wait to get their jabs. They are quite envious of the sense of freedom they are hearing from their parents and grandparents. Knowing they are safe, and can keep others safe, seems their primary concern.

I don't want to find out more to be honest - and if I did I'd go directly to the research papers.
Just a bit fed up today with mis-quoted sources all over Gransnet and elsewhere and I'm afraid you just were the last straw!
Apologies Casdon!

I'm sorry Casdon it actually doesn't say that.

Your source says 1 in 250,000 of over 55 year olds are at risk of serious harm as a result of vaccine side effects.

Pleased to see there are hardly any idiots on here spouting nonsense about vaccines - although I did note one person going on about "gene therapy" facepalm. People confuse mRNA with DNA - the vaccines such as Pfizer and Moderna that use this system do NOT change your DNA! There is also zero evidence to prove that any of these vaccines causes infertility. It makes me really angry when people spout fake news about the vaccines - we need as many people as possible to have the vaccine if we are ever to get on top of covid in the UK. ALL vaccines are fully tested - there was already a fair amount of work done on a vaccine before covid appeared, following SARS and MERS which are also coronaviruses. The reason it could be speeded up is because governments threw hundreds of millions of pounds at these research companies so they could concentrate on a covid vaccine to the exclusion of everything else. The vaccines have all been through the trials that would normally happen before licensing - they are NOT experimental or untested! If you are not prepared to provide scientific backup for your lies then please STFU - we and the world are not out of the woods yet with covid!

It was this chart from the BBC article I posted NotSpaghetti.
ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6CE6/production/_117887872_vaccine_death_comparison_640-nc.png
There is lots of information on line about the risks if you want to check it out for yourself - as I said we can only make assumptions based on what’s published, and extracting by a specific age is a challenge.

Very clever

NoVaccinePassportsAnywhere
Isn't animal testing compulsory on all medications?

I'm happy to be wrong but truly believe it's part of being passed for human use in almost every country.

I'm not sure if all over-the counter medications have the same requirements but think anything that can be prescribed is the key.

Well thank you Casdon I see you have actually extrapolated.

It's likely to be less than 1 in 450 then I assume as we know the danger increases by age and it isn't even over the ages (see the numbers).

So where is the other figure from?
better than one in 250, 000 chance of dying from the vaccine?

I notice a few people are asking about vegans, I agree the vegan society says that the vaccine is fine to take. However the vegans I know who have chosen not to take, did so because the vaccine was tested on animals.

NotSpaghetti I split the difference between the figures for age 45 and age 55 to come up with 1 in 500. So to be more exact, if the death risk is 1 in 880 at age 45, and 1 in 240 at age 55, it’s actually 1 in 460 at age 50, if the rate increases proportionately for each year of age. It’s not definitive of course, and neither is the death risk from vaccination, but based on available data it’s the best approximation I could find. The odds are definitely pro vaccination whatever way you look at it.

Thought I would just confirm that being vegan is not a reason for not taking the vaccine. The Vegan Society is quite clear on this, as with other medications; I am still vegan even though I inject insulin daily!

www.vegansociety.com/news/news/vegan-society-response-covid-19-vaccine

Biscuitmuncher

When the vaccine first came out, it was to protect the vulnerable. Now they are pumping it into everyone! Young people who are more at risk to the vaccine than they are to covid

That's nonsense!

rosieod1

Not just the young. I'm 67 now. When it was first put out last year that they were going to get a vaccine I was "no way" It takes so many years to develop a vaccine and I don't believe the but we've been developing it for years b*****t. My son and his girlfriend, both in their 30's are totally against it,my youngest and his wife,in their late 20's are for it. It's all a matter of choice.I choose not,my hub chose yes

Why don't you believe that scientists have been working on a similar vaccine for years? I personally know one who has.

That post was a lot of effort for your pinkies. I wonder why you bothered!

I always follow my gut feeling when it comes to decisions and do you know what, it's never led my wrong. I would never take a vaccine that was still under trials, not for a million pounds. I've read of far too many nasty deaths and horrible side effects on the government yellow card site, why is none of this ever reported on the bbc news, as yourself that?

What I fear more then anything is not covid, or the vaccine, but the total brainwashing that has been going on. The paid for comments that are appearing everywhere whenever to anyone that dares to question the vaccine. The way doctors that have dared to speak out have been silenced.

I keep asking myself why, why on earth are they so desperate to vaccinate everyone, when the average age of death from covid is 82, so what benefit is there of giving the jab to an 18 year old, unless they have health problems, I can see no benefit what so ever.

Anyway I believe in free choice for all and respect everyone whether they have chose to take the vaccine or not. You will notice I've not personally tagged anyone in this post or had a go at them, so I ask you not to do the same to me, lets be kind to everyone, no matter what their choice.

I do think it's a case of calculating the risk.

A friend would not tell her son she had had the vaccine, though he must have realised as she was mid 70s , because he doesn't agree with putting "unknown chemicals" in his body but it quite happy to smoke both legal and illegal cigarettes !!

I have read and re-read these articles Casdon - I think I'm going mad.
I can't see any calculations for 50year olds at all.
Please help me out!

I did see this though:
Andrew Levin an economics professor at Dartmouth college NH said:
At age 25, 1 in 10,000 will die IF infected with Covid
At 35, 1 in 2,700
At 45, 1 in 800
At 55, 1 in 240
At 65, 1 in 70.