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Dominic Cummings

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Daisymae Wed 26-May-21 10:42:09

Anyone watching live? Wow, just wow.

Nanette1955 Fri 28-May-21 13:11:41

Goodness what a lot of absolute rubbish! This is a man who advised the government and in his own words was unfit for the job, so he would have been one of the protagonists. Nasty piece of work

growstuff Fri 28-May-21 13:06:51

craftynan

I’ve skipped a lot of the comments so apologies if this has already been said. I just keep thinking that, regardless of who is telling the truth and who isn’t, I would never, ever consider employing someone as untrustworthy as DC.

It depends what job needs doing.

He didn't change overnight, so maybe the question is why Johnson employed him in the first place.

Dylant1234 Fri 28-May-21 13:01:22

It was riveting from start to finish and confirmed my impression of what had been going on from the start.

craftynan Fri 28-May-21 12:51:03

I’ve skipped a lot of the comments so apologies if this has already been said. I just keep thinking that, regardless of who is telling the truth and who isn’t, I would never, ever consider employing someone as untrustworthy as DC.

bmacca Fri 28-May-21 12:46:57

He did indeed tell us what we already knew. It's not just Boris Johnson who takes the blame. It includes Cummings as he went along with it until he lost the power struggle inside no 10. It's those of his cabinet who went along with it. It is the MPs sitting behind him in the Commons who would rather keep the status quo. It is those sitting opposite who turned their attention on Jeremy Corbyn instead of aiming it where it should have gone. It is the opposition lead by Keir Starmer frightened to move unless popular opinion forces it in that direction. It's the media and others who used their time and efforts to draw attention away from Johnson. It is the voting public which still backed Boris Johnson no matter what. If any one of those groups had stepped up it might have been a different scenario played out.

homefarm Fri 28-May-21 12:26:58

He only told us what we already knew

Shortlegs Fri 28-May-21 12:25:09

No axe to grind then? Sad little man.

growstuff Fri 28-May-21 12:24:01

Kayteetay1

It was the best tv drama in years. Despicable man, despicable ill prepared government. Both as bad as each other.

I don't think Cummings has ever given two hoots whether people like him. You only have to look at how he dressed to realise that he wasn't the slightest bit bothered about how people judged him. I always thought that the way he dressed was part of a carefully constructed image, so that people did think he was a "baddie".

The issue is how much of what he claimed is true - I actually think much of it was.

Kayteetay1 Fri 28-May-21 12:19:41

It was the best tv drama in years. Despicable man, despicable ill prepared government. Both as bad as each other.

growstuff Fri 28-May-21 12:19:25

Midwifebi6

I really don’t think it will make any difference at the next general election what Cummings said or the lies that Johnson or Hancock tells or told, with the majority Johnson has he will win power again. I have always been a Labour voter but I could not vote Labour with the likes of Diann Abbott and kier Starmer, she tries to stir up racial tensions and calls for the police to be defunded and Starmer taking the knee and banging on about BLM.
Look on YouTube
Alex Belfield-THE VOICE OF REASON
(Evil BBC Fail Car Crash BLM interview Backfire.
For the truth.

Err ... no ... Alex Belfield is not somebody I could ever take seriously:

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/alex-belfield-latest-who-is-the-voice-of-reason-youtuber-and-what-he-said-on-twitter-about-the-bbc-and-arrests-3102138

MayBee70 Fri 28-May-21 12:18:01

Doesn’t sound like a lifelong Labour voter to me hmm.Think I’ll give that a miss.

PippaZ Fri 28-May-21 12:11:26

Midwifebi6

I really don’t think it will make any difference at the next general election what Cummings said or the lies that Johnson or Hancock tells or told, with the majority Johnson has he will win power again. I have always been a Labour voter but I could not vote Labour with the likes of Diann Abbott and kier Starmer, she tries to stir up racial tensions and calls for the police to be defunded and Starmer taking the knee and banging on about BLM.
Look on YouTube
Alex Belfield-THE VOICE OF REASON
(Evil BBC Fail Car Crash BLM interview Backfire.
For the truth.

Personally I have no wish to see your YouTube video as you give quite a good ideas of what it is likely to be. It may be your truth but I really doubt it will be mine.

As for Johnson, I don't think anyone can be sure about the next election.

montymops Fri 28-May-21 12:06:18

Nothing new under the sun - just a rather weak man feeling guilty and out for revenge- Boris wasn’t elected for his attention to detail or exemplary morals etc - all people have flaws - just name a politician who hasn’t lied for instance- Gordon Brown may have been upright in many ways and perhaps Teresa May - but were they charismatic and successful leaders - hardly ? We elect human beings to organise various things in our lives then surprise surprise- they turn out to be just like us - imperfect and flawed. We are a very crowded island so highly likely to be affected badly by a pandemic - over the years we should have made better preparations but we didn’t. I had Covid in March/April 2020 - and while watching politicians at those talks - they were clearly terrified - Matt Hancock was white with fear. I wonder who, in our liberal democracy , would have performed better? Dominic Cummings, in my opinion, did get one thing right - his praise for Rishi Sunak and Patrick Valance. Heigh ho - hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Midwifebi6 Fri 28-May-21 12:05:48

I really don’t think it will make any difference at the next general election what Cummings said or the lies that Johnson or Hancock tells or told, with the majority Johnson has he will win power again. I have always been a Labour voter but I could not vote Labour with the likes of Diann Abbott and kier Starmer, she tries to stir up racial tensions and calls for the police to be defunded and Starmer taking the knee and banging on about BLM.
Look on YouTube
Alex Belfield-THE VOICE OF REASON
(Evil BBC Fail Car Crash BLM interview Backfire.
For the truth.

PippaZ Fri 28-May-21 12:05:35

Cambia

Just what is he saying that we didn’t already know? I would have rather more respect for him if he wasn’t so nasty about everyone else. After all he was a major part in the decision taking at the time.

I agree but perhaps not everyone offering an opinion keeps track of what is going on - I have learned.

I don't think we have to respect a witness do we? That's what he was and all that he said has to be proved. He said he would send the relevant paper work; we shall see.

cupcake1 Fri 28-May-21 12:04:34

Cummings is bitter and twisted and out for revenge and it’s not a pleasant trait. I don’t believe a word of what he says look how he betrayed the country amid the lockdown with the whole Barnard castle thing. There were a few porkies in that interview. Before you all start jumping down my throat I don’t believe Boris either he’s obviously made a lot of mistakes which has cost many lives and not shutting our borders earlier was unforgivable but would it be different if someone else was in charge? We’ll never know. Politics no matter which party will always have unscrupulous and self serving politicians history has taught us that. Just to reiterate I don’t trust or believe of any
them apart from the scientists.

PippaZ Fri 28-May-21 12:01:52

There is a law which both sets out (and therefore limits) what is an official secret and we are all obliged to keep it - just as we are all obliged not to murder or steal. "Signing" is only to remind someone of that law. I doubt that telling a Parliamentary Committee that Hancock lied would come under this.

Just because a person has lied does not mean every utterance is a lie. This is why we need an immediate inquiry. The proper authority needs to find out if there is any proof to back up what Cummings says or not.

We can have a personal opinion of the man but we do need the facts exposed to the daylight.

Cambia Fri 28-May-21 11:57:14

Just what is he saying that we didn’t already know? I would have rather more respect for him if he wasn’t so nasty about everyone else. After all he was a major part in the decision taking at the time.

Lucca Fri 28-May-21 11:57:05

“ And weird looking, like a new born baby.”

Wow.

I don’t like the man, but what he looks like is not the issue, if he proves Boris to be incompetent and dishonest

Lucca Fri 28-May-21 11:55:10

catta5

As a Civil Servant did he not sign the official secrets act when he left last year so why is he spouting now seems like sour grapes Actually i feel sorry for Boris he is issuing guidelines(that are not being kept to) help the economy and lockdown on the other side Cummings did wrong what a load of rubbish he spoke to justify himself going North

You feel sorry for Boris ???

growstuff Fri 28-May-21 11:53:05

Happysexagenarian

I agree with Smileless2012. Cummings is dishing the dirt simply because he was caught breaking the rules and had to pay the price. I've no sympathy for him.

Sympathy for him isn't the issue. The issue is whether he's right with his claims.

growstuff Fri 28-May-21 11:51:53

Johnson must have known the truth at the time, so why didn't he sack him then? I doubt if many people would have shed tears about the sacking.

growstuff Fri 28-May-21 11:49:30

I could be wrong but I don't think SPADs are civil servants.

catta5 Fri 28-May-21 11:45:49

As a Civil Servant did he not sign the official secrets act when he left last year so why is he spouting now seems like sour grapes Actually i feel sorry for Boris he is issuing guidelines(that are not being kept to) help the economy and lockdown on the other side Cummings did wrong what a load of rubbish he spoke to justify himself going North

Aepgirl Fri 28-May-21 11:42:29

I wouldn’t give that creep air time. He’s a cheat and a liar.