Anti-vaxx nurse struck off

MawBe

I don’t see why her ethnic background should make any difference at all - you may be on shaky ground here.

I don't understand why it's relevant either.

Very interesting ( and sad) interview with her son. Thank you for link lemsip

I saw an interview with her grown-up sons, but still only early20s.They spoke so sadly of their mother. From what they said, I do not think she was ever quite 'normal' in her thinking and they were so ashamed of what she was doing. When the interviewer asked if theythought the relationship could ever be mended. There was a few seconds silence and then he said, no I do not think that will ever be possible.

People like this nurse do not give a thought to the damage it does to other peoplemwho should be looking to them for support and protection.

Galaxy

As long as you are comfortable with sacking people for holding opinions and expressing them in public. But you need to know that one day that will apply to your opinions. It's very complex. It would be lovely if it was simple.

No it won't.

People holding and espousing completely crackpot theories which, if patients believed her, might lead to their deaths, should not be in the profession.

It is against the Code of Conduct

20.7 make sure you do not express your personal beliefs
(including political, religious or moral beliefs) to people in
an inappropriate way

Posters have had such conspiracy theories deleted from internet sites including this one but for a nurse to spread such theories is far worse and she should, quite rightly, be struck off.

Galaxy

I am fairly wary of people being struck off for their opinions. Same with the cricketer thread.

Cricketer?
I missed that one but a cricketer is not a medical professional.

Namsnanny I agree we all have a choice whether to have the vaccine or not. Like we all have a choice if we smoke or eat too much and become obese and have the medical consequences of obesity. I don't think it is on to say' It serves them right.' That is too harsh IMO .A lot of people have blinkered thinking on all kinds of subjects.

I do apologise, I should have stated. I'm from an ethnic minority and so many of my race aren't taking the vaccine as they believe they had enough trials that they didn't have a say in. That's why I was asking her race and culture, to see if she thought the same as our elders.
I do apologise if it looked like I was being racist, far from it.

You did see her picture though didn’t you?

Yes, my race has all sorts of hair and skin colour, you can tell from my user name.
I really didn't mean to be offensive, just musing on the possibility, really.
There are a lot of us who are either waiting to see what happens, or plain refusing.
I haven't had mine yet as temporarily medically exempt. But I try my best to educate, some aren't listening and happy to wait.

I know Wiki isn't always 100% accurate, but the entry about her is interesting:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Shemirani

By coincidence (or probably not), I have seen so many of her arguments repeated by others on social media. Quite frankly, I wouldn't want her to be anywhere near me, even I only had the mildest of ailments.

there are people who are still on the medical register who hold similar views, but maybe are more circumspect in how they publicly espouse them.
as the recent tv show reported, this is a vast international cult-like movement.
the same people who influenced many thousands not to use MMR, leading to avoidable deaths/disability.

I get annoyed with “I’m waiting to see” attitude. What about acting for the common good ?

The other night (Tuesday? Wednesday?) there was a very disturbing programme on Channel 4 which I was reluctant to watch but ended up doing so. It was about anti-vaxers and Covid conspiracy theorists in the US. The kingpin of the whole shebang is the discredited Dr Andrew Wakefield whose scare stories about the triple vaccine resulted in many children in our country and the US suffering unnecessarily from measles and eventually caused him to be struck off in UK. Despite this he has found a happy hunting ground in America where outlandish ideas and remedies find unthinking acceptance by the all-too-credulous - witness Trump's (almost) espousal of the consumption of bleach to cure Covid! The whole programme made me want to throw something hard at the TV screen! It's probably available on catch-up.

Lucca

I get annoyed with “I’m waiting to see” attitude. What about acting for the common good ?

I think most people are acting for the common good, tbh.
In Moss Side today they were vaccinating anyone who turned up. They had run out of supplies after 45 min. Throughout Manchester, several postcodes, all the same. Areas of past high cases have been targeted.
It was good to see and hear.

Being struck off seems the right thing to do. Sounds like she is at odds with what being a nurse means. No doubt she will become a heroine for the anti-vaxxers.

Sounds like mental health issues so she shouldn’t be practicing anyway.

The best explanation I have come across for people believing daft conspiracy theories is that is makes stupid people feel clever. If ever I find a conversation edging into conspiracy territory I pipe up with this explanation and it stops.

Pepine Spot on.

I have no problems with people that decide not to have the vaccine (even though I doubt the logic behind that decision) but I do have problems with them spouting off about comparing the vaccine to the death camps in Germany. She abused her position and therefore totally correct she should be struck off. Whilst I am fully aware (as an ex civil servant) that governments do tell lies, but I can't believe that governments around the world would agree to tell the same lie of how bad Covid can be. Look at poor Kate Garraway's husband.

I’m afraid there are nurses /medics /Drs who are an insult to the job just like there are in all professions and jobs. The biggest deterioration in my opinion of nurse training and applicants who wanted to be a nurse was when the in-house nurse training was replaced by universities doing the so called training.
I have worked with nurses midwifes and drs who are as thick as two planks.
There is no other word for it. They know how to duck and dive bluff and fluff their way along......until something does not go as expected then they are totally lost. I can tell an in-house trained nurse from a uni nurse in minutes. Give me in-house trained nurses and HCAs anytime.

Do you guys remember David Icke? he has had some seriously weird views over the years, but still peope believe him. He has theories on Covid. www.thesun.co.uk/news/11362611/david-icke-youtube-facebook-conspiracy/
I personally don't not believe any of these people, as I have seen the effects of Covid in my job, and I feel they do a lot of harm. I have also met a couple of antivaxers, who have tried to browbeat me into following their views. I follow our code of conduct, and politely say goodbye and leave.
I do wish the government and the WHO would be more honest and upfront, that would help.

Midwifebi6

I’m afraid there are nurses /medics /Drs who are an insult to the job just like there are in all professions and jobs. The biggest deterioration in my opinion of nurse training and applicants who wanted to be a nurse was when the in-house nurse training was replaced by universities doing the so called training.
I have worked with nurses midwifes and drs who are as thick as two planks.
There is no other word for it. They know how to duck and dive bluff and fluff their way along......until something does not go as expected then they are totally lost. I can tell an in-house trained nurse from a uni nurse in minutes. Give me in-house trained nurses and HCAs anytime.

Do you realise the "so called" university training is done in conjunction with the hospitals? All the students spend half the year on the wards or working with nurses in the community.

Anyone would think the old style training didn't involve a day in a classroom.

I don't judge people by where they were trained, how narrow minded. I know some brilliant young nurses and definitely knew some of the ones trained in the old system who were thick and not at all sympathetic as well as some who were great.

I think some older nurses are jealous and a bit bitter about the younger nurses who often do a job closer to a junior doctor rather than the "handmaiden to doctors" that used to be the case.

Midwifebi6

I’m afraid there are nurses /medics /Drs who are an insult to the job just like there are in all professions and jobs. The biggest deterioration in my opinion of nurse training and applicants who wanted to be a nurse was when the in-house nurse training was replaced by universities doing the so called training.
I have worked with nurses midwifes and drs who are as thick as two planks.
There is no other word for it. They know how to duck and dive bluff and fluff their way along......until something does not go as expected then they are totally lost. I can tell an in-house trained nurse from a uni nurse in minutes. Give me in-house trained nurses and HCAs anytime.

" I can tell an in-house trained nurse from a uni nurse in minutes'

Oh I bet you can't!

Of COURSE she needed to have her clinical registration ended (she wasn’t “sacked”).

Most professions have a standard of professional conduct that must must be adhered to.

As a teacher, I like all other teachers, in Denmark at least, signed a contract that contained a confidentialitly clause.

That clause stated that I could be suspended pending an inquiry if I had divulged confidential matters relating to a pupil or that pupil's home.

As a private person we may all express opinions as long as they are neither illegal to express nor slanderous, but in our professional lives there are matters we may not divulge without penalties.

This applies very forcibly to doctors, nurses and midwives, and there is a distinction to be made here:

This woman was advising patients not to be vaccinated, not merely stating that she herself would not be vaccinated and spreading untrue and potentially dangerous opinions.