Do you have friends who have declined to be vaccinated.........h ow do you deal with this (stay polite!)

but I know it is to do with his mum being included in the covid numbers even though she died never having had a positive test and not dying of covid.

Nanatoone I don't understand this - how would someone even know if a death was included incorrectly in the covid death statistics?

MaggsMcG So sorry for your loss.

30 days.

If you are in the UK Nagmad your friend is wrong. The criteria for inclusion in the figures is within 39 days of a positive test.

I know some people, who don’t believe that Covid is a killer, want to deny that their relatives had it. Belle Mooney is a high profile case in point.
But it will only be recorded as a death with Covid if there is a (post-mortem if necessary) positive test.

I was really ill after the second vaccine and after several tests -heart monitors and a range of blood tests,- it seems I have an underlying health condition I knew nothing about. I'm feeling much better, but have yet to have the conversation with the Dr about what next. However, it has made me very nervous about any booster jabs.

My SIL and her family all refuse to have the vaccine. She gets very angry when the subject arises and I suspect she would have it by choice, but doesn't want to lose face now they are 'making a stand'. I'm not sure of the reasons behind their attitude, other than 'us' vaccinated people are the guinea pigs and she quotes what she has read about the contents of the vaccine on line, and in The Sun!

I have one friend who has refused the vaccine for personal reasons. I didn't enquire too deeply but I know it is to do with his mum being included in the covid numbers even though she died never having had a positive test and not dying of covid. It is truly ridiculous if that is the case, nonetheless I can't go to his 60th birthday party next month as I am not knowingly going to consort with the unvaccinated. I cannot understand why you would not want to protect yourself and those you love. I have had both of mine and am happy about that, was unwell first time around but a small price to pay.

Please tell us where you got the statistic that 71 people have died as a result of getting the AZ jab

Nobody should feel forced to have a vaccine, as I feel I was. I had the AZ which I didn't want, but went ahead to please others, causing me much anxiety and stress. Luckily, I am not one of the (so far) 71 people who are dead because of the so-called life saving AZ jab. 17 people have had blood clots with the second AZ jab. I want Pfizer for my second vaccine. This is not allowed here, but it is allowed in many other countries. I have cancelled my second jab and rearranged. Whether I go through with it or not, I'm not sure. I feel like hanging on for 'mix and match'. I've had enough bad luck in my life already. I don't want to end up dead from an injection when I've come through so much. I know all the risk comparisons and they just don't cut it for me. Why is it ok to give people a vaccine that might kill them? I don't get it.

Sorry I missed *Nightowl's *post. Ccn you repeat it please GeorgyGirl?

My sentiments exactly Nightowl.

Glad to see Bettyboo22's rubbish was deleted by Gransnet.

The misuse of the word "research" is always a giveaway.

I got the message for my 1st vaccine two weeks after my husband died from Covid-19 he caught in our local hospital. Its imperative that all who are eligible get it. If they don't they are being incredibly selfish. I only know one and she is only 20. I spent two hours trying to persuade her to go when the 20 year old are called. I dint think I was successful.

I’ve had both vaccinations and felt absolutely no after effects from either. If you think you will be unwell afterwards then you will be. A positive attitude works wonders. I don’t have time to be ill. Having the vaccine protects others and not just yourself.

Have had both jabs - why ever not? if you are fit and able.
Don't know anyone who has had the offer of vaccination refuse it.

I think I can help there Tallulah. Apparently, Bill Gates and his mates want to inject us all with a silicon chip that will track us from the cradle to the grave. It can be "adjusted" over time, so that he can control us to vote in a certain way, be passive when he wants to wage war on other countries to get control of their assets and also to control birth control. By 2050, it's anticipated that we'll all be compliant, walk in single file and wear colour coordinated boiler suits according to our designated rank. This is the list of ranks and the colours we'll wear:

Epsilons dress in black
Deltas wear khaki
Gammas wear leaf green
Betas dress in mulberry
Alphas wear grey.

I'm hoping I'll be a Beta; the colour suits me so well.

Very funny, bettyboo22

But this is something that has confused me for ages. We will all have heard something about Bill Gates and others who want us to have this vaccine. But what I've never heard is why would Bill Gates want us all vaccinated? What good would it do? So much nonsense about magnetic bodies and chips in our arms. But what would be the purpose. These people peddling this stuff don't seem to say what good it would do for Mr Gates.

bettyboo22

I Haven’t had the jab nor am I going to I’m not anti vaxer rubbish I did research and not believed everything I saw on bbc
The jabs are all dangerous and the reason you don’t hear about people with loads of side effects is they keep it hidden
This was all about world domination by gates and the Rothchilds and unfortunately child abuse and more
Don’t think for one minute Biden is president because he’s not that Jim Carey the actor playing Biden he’s dead he was a child abuser look into this more and you will see that the world is not what you think ? and in time will thank the lord for president Trump and the Military

Oh thanks for that bettyboo22! I haven't laughed so much in months! That's hilarious!

Yes and I was quite surprised. I had both vaccines felt unwell for about 3 days with each one. I shall be keeping them literally at arm's length.

However she then becomes incredibly poor little me when I refuse to meet for coffee.

The danger is not from her to you of course, Treetops, it is from you to her.

You, being vaccinated, might be carrying infection all unawares. Has she thought of that, do you suppose?

To the person who said that if she goes into hospital and gets covid from there then she will sue , what about my DD who is a nurse caught covid from a patient who was coughing and spluttering all over her whilst she treated him? She had PPE on but was inserting cannula and doing blood tests on him so was very close . She knew exactly where it came from when she started with symptoms a few days later . This was November before vaccination and she was in hospital for nearly 3 weeks mainly in ITU and HDU . She was very ill and has only just returned to work and is still not fully fit . Do you think that she should sue that patient? Or maybe I should because I live in her home and she passed covid onto me .

my Pilates teacher who I assumed had been vaccinated and has not and has chosen to reopen the studio and not tell people which to me is cowardly

That is awful.
She should have the courage of her convictions and let her class make their own informed choices.

I remain aghast at some people's selfishness in refusing the vaccine. The answer of it being your personal choice is hard to believe and if I had my way it would be compulsory. people who choose not to be vaccinated should really think through their real reason very carefully indeed and most of these so called reasons do not hold up to scrutiny. Some people had blood clots before Covid and still do and in some cases it is very hard to prove the cause is Covid and compared to Covid the risk is very very small. Also the damage to previously very fit and healthy people of long Covid cannot be underestimated. We live in an area with very little Covid but I still know relatives left behind after their partner died of Covid. My main concern now is my Pilates teacher who I assumed had been vaccinated and has not and has chosen to reopen the studio and not tell people which to me is cowardly if she trusts her own decision as others will also assume she has because of her age. I only found out when I saw her in a cafe and asked when her second jab was so I could work out when I was going back to the studio as I will not go in until she has both jabs and told her this in January. My younger yoga teacher was very up front before her jab was due and most of my fellow Zoomers are waiting until she has her second jab. Far too much of a risk otherwise .I am choosing only to socialise with people who are double jabbed at present.
I think the country needs a critical mass of people to be jabbed before we have to live with the risk and with new variants that is over 80% of people, not just adults. If someone chooses not to be jabbed they put that onus of safety on others. Why would you do that?

Just read Bettyboo, jeepers ?????

Lets turn it round then... What state would the country be in if we all decided we wouldn't face the vaccine? The few acquaintances I know who have avoided the vaccine. - I'm avoiding them. They are the ones who have never followed the advice on distancing and reducing contact. Not speaking out of ignorance - I had a vile reaction first dose. - IT PASSED - I DID NOT NEED TO BE LOOKED AFTER BY THE NHS