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Dr John Campbell and blood clots

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FoghornLeghorn Thu 15-Jul-21 01:34:37

MayBee70

Thanks Lin. I do bleed/bruise very easily. I think the reason why they don’t aspirate is because it might put people off having a second vaccine. Swings and roundabouts.

No. The reason we don’t aspirate is that it isn’t best practice to do so. It’s unnecessary when injecting into the deltoid muscle.

MayBee70 Sun 11-Jul-21 12:16:35

But In China they aspirate the needle. If only we knew the incidence of post vaccine blood clots there. Either way, the vaccine hesitancy caused by publicity about adverse reactions has probably resulted in many covid related deaths in non vaccinated people. I understand that we mustn’t ignore any reactions but it’s something that has made many people think twice about having the vaccine.

Visgir1 Sun 11-Jul-21 11:36:34

Elaine is correct
Plus... Not a peer reviewed paper.

growstuff Sun 11-Jul-21 09:31:10

Thanks for the input from people with experience and knowledge.

I must admit I was a bit shocked by the reply Dr John Campbell received, but I understand the context better now.

ElaineI Sun 11-Jul-21 09:27:19

The guidance for IM injections has been not to aspirate for many years now.

welbeck Sat 10-Jul-21 15:19:54

it's no good asking them to, as they wouldn't be allowed to do it.
they have to follow the protocol for administering this vaccine exactly.

MayBee70 Sat 10-Jul-21 15:13:55

Thanks Lin. I do bleed/bruise very easily. I think the reason why they don’t aspirate is because it might put people off having a second vaccine. Swings and roundabouts.

Lin52 Fri 09-Jul-21 22:38:31

MayBee70

I listen to Dr John every day without fail. Quite honestly I don’t know what I would have done without him over the past 18 months. I really would like to have the needle aspirated when I have my booster. As he pointed out if you don’t aspirate the needle how can you possibly state that not aspirating the needle isn’t causing blood clots. I was a bit worried when I had my second vaccine as there was a speck of blood on my arm and I was really worried that it hadn’t gone into the muscle and I wasn’t fully covered. That’s one reason why I’m still being careful. I also would like more research into the use of ivermectin.

Often when the needle is withdrawn the tip catches a capillary on the way out of vaccination site, therefore a drop of blood appears. Hope this reassures. As ex Nurse, I did not request my vaccinator to aspirate, pulling back on a needle for 5 to 10 seconds in a small area can make injection painful.

Lin52 Fri 09-Jul-21 22:32:45

Whitewavemark2

I think it is the ignorance shown by this government that is making the clinicians so angry.

Evidence based research says unless injecting into the gluteus maximus, aspiration not required
It is common practice to draw back on a syringe after the needle is inserted to check whether it is in a blood vessel. While it is important to aspirate if the DG muscle site is used – because of proximity to the gluteal artery – it is not required for other IM injection sites (PHE, 2013; Malkin, 2008). So the charge of ignorance is unfounded. The WHO also states aspiration technique is not necessary. The WHO Best Practices for Injections and Related Procedures Toolkit. All evidence based research, it is not evidence based research to continue to aspirate, just because “I’ve always done it.”
To aspirate properly, should be for 5 to 10 seconds, most aspirate for only one, rendering the exercise obsolete. Much damage has been done by putting forward non researched based practice, and from the EU with their knee jerk banning of Oxford AZ.

MayBee70 Fri 09-Jul-21 19:23:27

I listen to Dr John every day without fail. Quite honestly I don’t know what I would have done without him over the past 18 months. I really would like to have the needle aspirated when I have my booster. As he pointed out if you don’t aspirate the needle how can you possibly state that not aspirating the needle isn’t causing blood clots. I was a bit worried when I had my second vaccine as there was a speck of blood on my arm and I was really worried that it hadn’t gone into the muscle and I wasn’t fully covered. That’s one reason why I’m still being careful. I also would like more research into the use of ivermectin.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 07-Jul-21 06:41:06

I think it is the ignorance shown by this government that is making the clinicians so angry.

growstuff Wed 07-Jul-21 05:21:23

I thought this one particularly interesting. In it, he has a reply from Nadhim Zahawi. Zahawi is just wrong and Campbell's frustration is evident. I don't think I've ever seen him so angry.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 07-Jul-21 03:31:12

He is so informative and is the one I listen to more than anyone else for information..

growstuff Wed 07-Jul-21 02:49:26

Interesting video from Dr John Campbell about the method of administering vaccines and possible reason for blood clots with the Oxford/AZ vaccine:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3lx6Scwfhg

Worth watching because scare stories about the vaccine have had a major impact on uptake.