Why are the young reluctant to take the vaccine?

The head midwife today on BBC TV said the vaccine for pregnant women protects the foetus thus: if the mother gets covid and needs to be hospitalised she might need to be nursed on her tummy. Pregnant women who have covid may need caesarean section, and their baby will be premature. Premature babies are not very strong. So the pregant woman needs to protect herself in order to protect the life of her baby.

I hope I have reported this correctly.

ayse

I’ve just read on BBC that the Pfizer vaccine can have the unwelcome side effect of a heart problem especially for young men, although this is rare.

We just don’t know about any long term effects of any of these vaccines.

Here we go............"I've just read" or "they" say......."or. " Someone knows someone..."! We used to play this at school! Chinese whispers anyone?......

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If you want to know what is really happening you can google a hashtag, too. A lot happens that the news channels never report.

Twitter is awash with coronavirus information and studies - it is NOT just a chat/social media site. Politicians, the government, doctors, epidemiologists,virologists, ONS etc all post there. It really is the place to go nowadays for up to date news and information. Alas the BBC/ITV etc are very selective with what they report.

I was talking to a neighbour yesterday, a young mother with two children, the eldest of which is only 8. I asked if she'd had her jabs and she said no. When I asked her why, she replied 'well you only need them to go clubbing and I never go anywhere.' I was astounded! She may not be going clubbing, but she certainly goes shopping, to take the kids to school, to visit her parents and her boyfriend - all of which is on public transport!

Ellianne

^EllianneIs there any evidence of other vaccinations affecting the foetus?^ I don't know, maybe not Monica. I guess it's not usually the sort of thing an expectant mother asks at her first ante natal appointment, but it was categorically the advice given in this instance of the 2nd covid jab. I am keen to listen if anyone here finds out more.
I believe someone further up the thread said it might be an idea not to get pregnant while covid is around, but with the biological clock ticking or a person having difficulties conceiving, time may be of the essence. Another ghastly reminder we are all in this for the long haul.

I mentioned that I would probably avoid it, but its easy for me to say as I'm past the age of wanting to reproduce. What I should have said is, I feel sorry for anyone reproducing in these times. I look back to the times when I was pregnant and think how simple life was back then.

Totally understandable that biological clocks will still be ticking, just sorry for the extra stress it will involve. I read somewhere (not sure if it was correct) that unvaccinated pregnant women will need to isolate for their whole pregnancy and that if they catch covid it can make stillbirth twice as likely? I do pity the young.

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The Royal College of of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists has produced an information sheet.

www.rcog.org.uk/globalassets/documents/guidelines/2021-02-24-combined-info-sheet-and-decision-aid.pdf

The official NHS advice is for pregnant women to be vaccinated.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/

EllianneIs there any evidence of other vaccinations affecting the foetus? I don't know, maybe not Monica. I guess it's not usually the sort of thing an expectant mother asks at her first ante natal appointment, but it was categorically the advice given in this instance of the 2nd covid jab. I am keen to listen if anyone here finds out more.
I believe someone further up the thread said it might be an idea not to get pregnant while covid is around, but with the biological clock ticking or a person having difficulties conceiving, time may be of the essence. Another ghastly reminder we are all in this for the long haul.

There is a difference between what we eat and drink, which goes through the digestive system into maintaining our body and everything in it, and vaccination, which is injected into the body and is processed by our body in an entirely difrent way

There isn't any difference in the way that the essential nutrients extracted from food and the antibodies which fight infections are carried around the body. They are delivered via the bloodstream. Maternal blood is exchanged with the foetus via the placenta. That's how it is nourished. I assume that if nutrients can be transferred via the bloodstream so can other things.

Biologists, what do you say?

Ellianne Yes, this came up in the interview. I missed part of it but the scientist involved was part of the Oxford University research centre that helped develop the AZ vaccine and someone who was pregnant rang up saying that every medical contact she had gave different advice, from have it now, to do not have it until afterwards, and everything in between.

One of the things that has bemused me about the roll out of the vaccine is the number of medical staff who have refused the vaccine and justified their decision by quoting all the different myths against it promulgated by the Anti-vaxxers. In fact one of the most extreme leaders of the anti-vax movement in the UK is an ex-nurse.

Elliane Is there any evidence of other vaccinations affecting the foetus? I have not heard of any. There is a difference between what we eat and drink, which goes through the digestive system into maintaining our body and everything in it, and vaccination, which is injected into the body and is processed by our body in an entirely difrent way.

Ellianne

Thank you for The Guardian article growstuff. So many mixed messages.
I'm not medical but assume the vaccine in pregnancy would be safest during the 2nd or 3rd trimestre? A bit like being told not to consume alcohol or dodgy foods early on in the pregnancy due to the toxins reaching the embryo. It must be something to do with how the placenta works during the 9 months?
It is very hard for expectant mothers to make the huge decision, and the same for parents struggling to consider having their under 10s vaccinated if that becomes offered. I would be very torn.

I wouldn't be the slightest bit torn. Other countries have been the guinea pigs for vaccinating pregnant women and children and have not reported any significant concerns. On the other hand, it's known that pregnant women can be seriously ill with Covid and even young children suffer long Covid.

Casdon That's a really high uptake in the youngest age group, considering they haven't had time to have the second dose yet.

I noticed on another graph that vaccine rates in Wales are higher than the average for the UK. I don't know whether it's a coincidence, but case incidence rates in Wales are relatively low too.

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Here’s the Wales equivalent graph. What would concern me most if I had any influence is the relatively low uptake of the 40- 49 age group as they are considerably more likely to end up seriously ill rather than the 18-29s. There’s a campaign happening here to try to persuade the vaccine hesitant to come forward now, but it seems that across the UK uptake is going to be less the lower the perceived risk.

growstuff

OnwardandUpward

Fair enough. I must admit, I wouldn't want to get pregnant in a pandemic because the bodys immune system isn't in our favour in pregnancy. At least that's how I felt when I was pregnant...

In what way(s)?

A pregnant woman's immune system adapts to protect the baby and the mother. Different parts of the immune system are enhanced while others are suppressed.

All I know is, I felt ill when I was pregnant. Swollen glands in my neck and really run down.

Thank you for The Guardian article growstuff. So many mixed messages.
I'm not medical but assume the vaccine in pregnancy would be safest during the 2nd or 3rd trimestre? A bit like being told not to consume alcohol or dodgy foods early on in the pregnancy due to the toxins reaching the embryo. It must be something to do with how the placenta works during the 9 months?
It is very hard for expectant mothers to make the huge decision, and the same for parents struggling to consider having their under 10s vaccinated if that becomes offered. I would be very torn.

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Can somebody please produce evidence that "young people" are more vaccine hesitant than other age groups?

It would appear that 60% of all 18-24 year olds have had their first dose and about 20% have had two doses and are presumably waiting for a second dose. I've attached a graph for England, but Scotland shows a similar pattern.

Secondly, the number of vaccinations being administered has reduced. This is probably due to supply issues. As more elderly people have already had two doses, it affects them less.

90,000 pregnant women in the US have been vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna without any safety concerns. It would appear that medical staff themselves are giving mixed messages, possible to cover their backs.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/13/mixed-advice-driving-covid-vaccine-hesitancy-in-pregnant-uk-women

If pregnant women aren't vaccinated, they have no choice but to shield themselves until they give birth. One study found that women who tested positive around the time of birth are twice as likely to have a still birth.

That's interesting M0nica and although it's the opposite of what a family member here who fell pregnant during the 12 week gap was advised, it's worth keeping an eye on.

OnwardandUpward

Fair enough. I must admit, I wouldn't want to get pregnant in a pandemic because the bodys immune system isn't in our favour in pregnancy. At least that's how I felt when I was pregnant...

In what way(s)?

A pregnant woman's immune system adapts to protect the baby and the mother. Different parts of the immune system are enhanced while others are suppressed.

There was an excellent interview on the subject of the safety of the vaccine in pregnancy on Woman's Hour this morning. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000xv7n

The scientist they interviewed, pointed out, among other things, that the number of pregnant women vaccinated in the US and Israel now runs into hundreds of thousands, many of whom have already given birth to healthy children and are unaffected themselves. There have been no reports of any harm to mother or baby.

On the other hand, if you are pregnant and not vaccinated and get COVID in the last three months of your pregnancy, you are far more likely to get the illness severely and end up on a ventilator and that is assuredly worse for mother and child.

Fair enough. I must admit, I wouldn't want to get pregnant in a pandemic because the bodys immune system isn't in our favour in pregnancy. At least that's how I felt when I was pregnant...

Females who fall pregnant after their first vaccination are being advised not to have the second one at 12 weeks.
It they shorten the gap between jabs then some might take the vaccine without even knowing about the embryo.

GreyKnitter perhaps they’re pregnant ?