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The decision to end restrictions is dangerous and premature, unethical and illogical.

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Whitewavemark2 Sun 11-Jul-21 16:27:48

GrannyGravy13

The letter I believe is from Alternative Sage so they have an agenda to push.

JCVI have consistently stayed that there is no plan to vaccinate the under 18’s other than those that are CEV.

If we do not open up now in the summer as the schools are on six week break (Scotland excepted) do we wait until September with the onset of the flu season, schools returning and people spending more time indoors due to the weather?

That is sooo wrong.

If we WAIT for three months until vaccination is completed then when we open up the wall will be built. There will be risks and issues whenever we open up but not the extent the government has planned at the moment.

And it isn’t from “Alternative Sage” it is from scientists, MPs and others.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 11-Jul-21 16:22:49

The letter I believe is from Alternative Sage so they have an agenda to push.

JCVI have consistently stayed that there is no plan to vaccinate the under 18’s other than those that are CEV.

If we do not open up now in the summer as the schools are on six week break (Scotland excepted) do we wait until September with the onset of the flu season, schools returning and people spending more time indoors due to the weather?

growstuff Sun 11-Jul-21 16:22:19

rosie1959

If we don’t open up the country in July when should we ?
Many businesses either running under restrictions including hospitality or not open at all

I don't think anybody is seriously suggesting not "opening up", but what's wrong with opening up and making sure that we still mitigate risk? It seems to be what the government is now "expecting" anyway.

PS. There needs to be some additional guidance for schools.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 11-Jul-21 16:14:55

The whole point is, - that we are only a couple or so months away from an excellent level of vaccine. Why on earth expose children to the virus and possible future ill health or disability, when patience would prevent all that.

This government must be held to account and held responsible for this decision to put our children at risk.

rosie1959 Sun 11-Jul-21 16:07:18

If we don’t open up the country in July when should we ?
Many businesses either running under restrictions including hospitality or not open at all

Anniebach Sun 11-Jul-21 16:00:30

I so hope Wales doesn’t follow England

Smileless2012 Sun 11-Jul-21 15:58:52

It's the same here FarNorth; disappointing but not unexpected.

FarNorth Sun 11-Jul-21 15:54:44

I live in an area popular with holiday makers.
We have had very low, or zero, cases for the whole time.
Now, numbers are going up - both in locals who have been away and in those who are here on holiday.

Of course we can't all hide for ever, but I'm hoping that the Scottish Government will not 'open up' in the same way that the English Government intends to do.

Smileless2012 Sun 11-Jul-21 15:47:59

I understand the worries, I have them too but I don't agree that that the "UK government is embarking on a dangerous and unethical experiment" and think it's a ridiculous claim to make.

We live in a sea side resort and some people haven't been complying with the regulations for some time, and let's be honest, some never have.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 11-Jul-21 15:41:20

Scientists have published a letter in the Lancet, saying that they have 5 main concerns over the governments plans for unmitigated infection.
I have taken this from John Campbell’s site.

First - disproportionately affecting children and young people
There are 17 million people with no covid protection.
Exponential growth will continue until millions more people are infected
This will leave hundreds of thousands of people with long term illness and disability
Risks leaving a generation with ill health.

Second - transmission in schools will lead to educational disruption.
There should be strict mitigation in schools and eventual vaccination of children.
Important for clinically vulnerable children and socially vulnerable children.

Third - emergent of vaccine resistant mutations, with their potential spread.

Fourth - there will significant impact on exhausted clinicians.
There is no break yet between infection and hospital admission.
Rising case numbers will inevitably mean more hospital admissions.
Millions of people are waiting for procedures and many will die waiting.

Fifth
Deprived communities are very exposed.
The deprived and marginalised will be disproportionately affected.

Given that vaccine offers the same protection and herd immunity, the governments strategy is unethical and illogical.

The U.K. government must reconsider its current strategy and take urgent steps to protect people and children.
We believe that the U.K. government is embarking on a dangerous and unethical experiment, and we call on it to pause its planned endings of all mitigation on 19 July.