The decision to end restrictions is dangerous and premature, unethical and illogical.

mokryna

My daughter is in the Manchester area. Friday a person had an emergency op who after needed a ICU, none were available all day, there or nearby. Fortunately by the end of the day one was further away but it was touch and go.

That used to happen well before Covid. Few hospitals have a large amount of ICU or HD beds, Emergency situations arise, for instance RTC patients needing ICU beds, has always delayed some people’s surgery.

according to official website Gov.uk

153.070

that is a lot more than his predicted 25000

www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

If anyone says 'oh he did his best- how could he have done things better'....

fb.watch/6Zp14qrtMt/

and the rest is tragic history. Does anyone have the latest figures- they have not been publishing them for a long time.

My daughter is in the Manchester area. Friday a person had an emergency op who after needed a ICU, none were available all day, there or nearby. Fortunately by the end of the day one was further away but it was touch and go.

Mokryna I am wondering where in the country you live? I live in a very large city near two of the biggest hospitals in the country. Both their covid wards were shut weeks ago due to 'no further need'. All the staff were given a gold pin badge to recognise their hard work. My 'area' is also one of the biggest 'delta' areas too.

Thank you for that info, Maddyone. Yes, it’s just awful, so many people under so much stress.

My dd says so many of her cohort of Foundation Years hospital doctors are thinking of leaving in the next year or two. She had been interested in becoming a GP as she had enjoyed her student rotations in GP surgeries but the last 18mths has really put her off, because of the way some people think they can treat doctors.

Thank you mokryna
Very worrying for you, but at least we’ve had some encouraging news that the number of infections have been falling for several days now.

The vaccines will win. I’m sure of it.

Lots of normal events starting here too time for people to get out and enjoy themselves again
Can’t say I am surprised it’s what I would expect to happen
We all have a choice now to continue with life as normally as possible or to avoid such events

Sue they made the decision and were gone in about four months. New Zealand is short of doctors and so they find jobs easily. I can’t blame them but I miss them so much. There are agencies that sort more or less everything out for them. The only thing that held them up slightly was waiting for accommodation in the quarantine hotel. That costs a lot of money but their Practice in New Zealand gave them the money to cover that. They were going for one Practice on the South Island and then changed their minds and decided on another Practice on the North Island. They’ve gone for two years initially, but who knows, they may decide to stay. That’s my fear, but I would never try to change their minds. Anyway, it seems there are plenty of jobs available.
Like everyone on here who is separated from family, I would feel much better about it all if I could book tickets and know I’d be flying out there at a specific time. We’re all in limbo aren’t we?
I hope for your sake that your daughter doesn’t decide to go, but when you’ve watched as you and I have over this period, seen the exhaustion, understood the stress they’re under, seen the difficulties when they’re told grandparents can’t do childcare, watched the struggles and the frustration, then you think, if it’s better in NZ then so be it.

It isn’t just me that panicked when they listened to DrJohns blog last night. He’s just done another one which explained it better and was quite reassuring regarding the vaccines in the U.K. but worrying for people in the USA.

Today’s positive tests are 20,000 less than last Saturday, still hoping this is going to continue in a downwards trajectory.

Maddyone, is it simple and quick to take yourself off to NZ as a doctor? My dd is getting fed up of the NHS, too. Not that I want her to go so far away, it’s bad enough having one child in the US.

I don’t understand people. A local pub is having some sort of beer festival and people are posting pictures of themselves with their beer. I know it’s outside etc etc but people lose all inhibitions after a few beers. They’re also planning a festival of some kind to attract lots of people to the village. Would have been a great idea at any other time. It’s a bit like last summer when everyone seemed to be living a semi normal life and I was still avoiding everyone! It’s as if people are living in different dimensions to each other.

JenniferEccles

mokryna what is the time scale with your daughter and her two covid infections?
Had she been double vaccinated before she caught the virus the first time, and how long was it between the two infections?

I’m interested because I believe it’s still relatively unusual to have the virus twice.

First time end of March 2020, lasting cough, temperature, very tired, ached etc but no test available at that time. She had to go back to work because long Covid wasn’t recognized. Second, 23(?) December 2020 tested at the hospital, as they do for the staff, positive but hardly any symptoms. She had her injections in February this year.

Sorry since Autumn 2019.

Thank you to the posters who have given me a few words of encouragement. We need encouragement when we wobble, it’s such a long drawn out event. Thank you Rosie and Alegrias, I do feel better when I hear/read positive things. Maybee I know you’re a worrier, keep your chin up, and take all precautions possible to help you worry less. Mokryna, I’m so sorry to hear about your daughter. What a horrible time she’s been having. I hope her episodes of Covid weren’t too serious. It’s horribly bad luck to get it twice, although I know it can happen. I also understand the stress levels in the NHS. My daughter and son-in-law have gone to New Zealand because they’d had enough of NHS stress over the last year or so.
It just seems to me that every time we’re making progress, it all starts again. That’s why I need to hear positive things about it. Maybe by September when more younger people are vaccinated we’ll see some real progress, and fewer cases.

mokryna what is the time scale with your daughter and her two covid infections?
Had she been double vaccinated before she caught the virus the first time, and how long was it between the two infections?

I’m interested because I believe it’s still relatively unusual to have the virus twice.

Whitewavemark2

Imagine how health workers are feeling

I can tell you how my NHS daughter is feeling right now. She is in tears. I have spoken to her for the last hour and she couldn’t stop being upset, she is being treated for PTS. She feels she can’t go anywhere where people are not respecting distancing and masks. She has had covid twice and had her two vaccinations. She wanted to go away for six days, first holiday since March 2019, unfortunately three days in she was pinged and had to go home. She is back at a job she loves, she prefers to work. In her hospital they cannot open up wards because there are not enough doctors or nurses. ICU beds are being crammed in till there is no more space and there are no spaces in other local hospitals. No visitors are being allowed in now. People are being stupid doing excentrique things causing accidents and filling up beds just because they are free. I can’t go and visit her and she says it is too dangerous for me.

Good, happy to read that MayBee70

Alegrias1

^And now Israel are finding the effect of the vaccine isn’t lasting as long as everyone thought it would.^

The protection against serious illness is still around 86%, Dr Campbell said. There is a reduction in effectiveness against transmission. We thought there might not be any protection against transmission at all so any protection at all is good.

We might need boosters, which everybody thought we would need anyway.

Thanks Alegrias. I did listen to it late at night and didn’t want to listen to it again. I don’t feel quite so worried now!

Yes I think boosters have been planned for the autumn for certain groups for quite some time.

And now Israel are finding the effect of the vaccine isn’t lasting as long as everyone thought it would.

The protection against serious illness is still around 86%, Dr Campbell said. There is a reduction in effectiveness against transmission. We thought there might not be any protection against transmission at all so any protection at all is good.

We might need boosters, which everybody thought we would need anyway.

Juicywords

Canada uses the Oxford vaccine as well as the others. The numbers they give in this study refer to effectiveness after one dose of the Oxford vaccine.

The 10% quoted by Forbes was from a small study of younger patients and only referred to the effectiveness against contracting mild to moderate illness. They new data is about hospitalisation and death.

I didn't quote your whole post Juicywords to save it getting too long