Chris Whitty - another lockdown

Anybody who actually takes the time to read my posts will see that I haven't been looking for flaws in the evidence. What I object to is
. The tendency for exaggeration that leads to the use of such terms as "genocide" which are inflammatory and incorrect, just like throwing into the mix that Covid shrinks children's brains or that the vaccines are not good enough. This does not increase people's understanding, it contributes to an environment of fear
. I seriously object to unaccountable groups of people (i.e. indy SAGE) pretending they have all the answers when they don't have to justify them to anybody
. I object to the use of language that suggests things are more important than they are. Today's meeting wasn't a summit; they are using that word to make people think its a worldwide discussion meeting of interested parties. It was a Zoom call of people who share the same ideas.

The last thing we need right now is alarm and that's what we're getting. I object to them, nobody is obliged to agree with me.

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I still can’t believe that Whitty stood next to Johnson on that podium like a noddy and just went along with his freedom day mutterings.

Thank you all who picked up the odd comment. I was so taken aback I posted rather quickly.

So what would you call a strategy which will result in unnecessary deaths?

If it were a battle you would call it a pyrrhic victory (if and when we win). So, if we do finally defeat this virus that victory would be pyrrhic if it resulted in large numbers of unnecessary deaths.

However, if this current tactic means we are overrun by a new variant of the delta variant, which could evade the vaccines, it may mean our country is defeated by this for decades to come.

I can think of a word I could use for any government that allowed that but I don't think GNHQ would like it.

MawBe

PippaZ

But most people can probably spell knowledge.

Mee- ow! ?????

It was me who couldn't/didn't spell it Mawbe. Do you think I was being catty to myself?

Alegrias1

MayBee70

Interesting that it was mentioned that the U.K. was talking about aiming for a strategy of herd immunity in March 2020. Back then it was assumed that it was Cummings that was advocating it. Given that he’s no longer influencing the government in this strategy who, now is. Algeria’s. Without re reading the whole thread again can I just ask you for a yes no answer to my question of ‘do you personally agree with what the U.K. is planning to do on 19th July’.

My post answering this was at 14:28 today.

The answer was "no".

My objection is to using unreliable information and project fear to influence people's perceptions of, and reactions to, this pandemic.

And it's not the UK, it's England.

So if you disagree with the 19th why do you seem to be spending so much time looking for flaws in the arguments put forward by the scientists?

Alegrias1

Crikey.

It's not the scientists' information that is unreliable. It's the "government are planning genocide" type posts that are unreliable. I thought that was obvious. Guess not.

So what would you call a strategy which will result in unnecessary deaths?

Genocide is probably the wrong word because it is quite specific, but the current strategy is choosing to allow people to be infected without a good reason, when patience would allow more people to be vaccinated, which is a much safer way of acquiring the necessary population immunity. I looked back at the discredited Great Barrington Declaration and this is even worse because there is no attempt to support shielding of the most vulnerable.

There is no attempt to mitigate risks in schools, despite all the bleating about education of being of prime importance. Additionally, there is no policy for the millions of people who are clinically vulnerable or for whom vaccinations are ineffective.

I thought PippaZ was just picking up on her own spelling mistake there?

MawBe

PippaZ

But most people can probably spell knowledge.

Mee- ow! ?????

Maw you might want to re-read what led up to pippa post?

Alegrias1

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/scientist-furious-unethical-response-indian-variant-171344891.html

An adult and informative conversation.

Have you looked at the hour long summit yet, because until you do and your posts are whistling in the wind.

PippaZ

But most people can probably spell knowledge.

Mee- ow! ?????

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/scientist-furious-unethical-response-indian-variant-171344891.html

An adult and informative conversation.

But most people can probably spell knowledge.

Whitewavemark2

PippaZ

No Alegrais1, I didn't think it was. I thought that was what you suggested you knew all about.

Actually I think it is microbiology

I'm afraid I seriously doubt this great learning. As I put in my previous post most people who boast about their knowled have learned very little.

Alegrias1

Crikey.

It's not the scientists' information that is unreliable. It's the "government are planning genocide" type posts that are unreliable. I thought that was obvious. Guess not.

That was the scientists!!

I know all about everything. I am the greatest scientist who ever lived.

You can all stop guessing now

Crikey.

It's not the scientists' information that is unreliable. It's the "government are planning genocide" type posts that are unreliable. I thought that was obvious. Guess not.

PippaZ

No Alegrais1, I didn't think it was. I thought that was what you suggested you knew all about.

Actually I think it is microbiology

Alegrias1

I know what this scientist does when someone tells me my information is unreliable. I check it.

But having seen Gurdasani et al previously, I expect there would be shouting and talking over other people.

Nope - an adult and informative conversation.

Interesting lesson on Israeli covid risk management.

Perhaps you would like to check those facts?

No Alegrais1, I didn't think it was. I thought that was what you suggested you knew all about.

No, not computer programing.

growstuff

Alegrias1

I'm not denying anything. I'm just not putting unsubstantiated facts out in the Internet to feed the fear that is evident on this forum.

I'm not saying you are growstuff but this thread is full of it and it's not right, IMO.

Well, I'm glad you're not saying I am, because you're "facts" aren't even correct.

What's your branch of science again?

Branch of science growstuff?

There are some posts I read which always remind me that those who know nothing think they know all there is to know; those who learn about something quickly understand that they have much more to learn and those who reach the pinnacle of their area of knowledge know and understand that while being at the top of one tree they have a very plain view that they are not at the top of all subjects.

In answer to your question to Alegrias1 "branch of science" I thought I remembered - although of course, I could be wrong - that we were told previously it was computer programming. But then again we were talking about computer programming at the time. Now we are talking about a very different area so perhaps a quick course has been undertaken

I know what this scientist does when someone tells me my information is unreliable. I check it.

But having seen Gurdasani et al previously, I expect there would be shouting and talking over other people.

Which unreliable information Alegrias? You have consistently tried to undermine reliable evidence. I don't believe there's a "project fear", unless that's what you call hiding facts. Not giving the public facts is infantilizing them. There are enough examples of that on GN, where people have claimed that cases and hospitalisations aren't increasing, have denied that deaths are increasing, have completely ignored the existence of long Covid, have claimed that young people don't get seriously ill, have exaggerated what lockdown currently means for the UK, don't appear to understand that a healthy economy relies on a health population, seem to think that vaccination is a magic bullet, have ignored the need for more safety in schools and more support for people to self-isolate and for those with mental illnesses, have claimed that Covid is just like flu, etc etc.

Maybe you could provide some examples of unreliable information from those who are against the free-for-all which will result from 19 July?

Alegrias1

MayBee70

Interesting that it was mentioned that the U.K. was talking about aiming for a strategy of herd immunity in March 2020. Back then it was assumed that it was Cummings that was advocating it. Given that he’s no longer influencing the government in this strategy who, now is. Algeria’s. Without re reading the whole thread again can I just ask you for a yes no answer to my question of ‘do you personally agree with what the U.K. is planning to do on 19th July’.

My post answering this was at 14:28 today.

The answer was "no".

My objection is to using unreliable information and project fear to influence people's perceptions of, and reactions to, this pandemic.

And it's not the UK, it's England.

Have to watched the summit yet?

I wonder what the scientists would think if you told them that their information was unreliable?

I can guess.