Chris Whitty - another lockdown

wicklowwinnie

Oh, PippaZ, I haven't been reading anything.
I just feel rebellious.
I miss seeing cheerful, smiling faces.
We seem to have become such a miserable country.
Do you think we will ever go back to as we were?

To be honest, I don't see my local area like that at all. We seem, if anything, to have become more community-minded.

I am sometimes sad that people cannot see us smile, but there's another industry to help the economy - see-through masks.

I do hear the government telling people, from school children to older people, just how hard done by they have been. It must be quite depressing if you believe it. Mind you this government will also always point out that this is because someone else is an "other" in some way. They will tell you that it is their fault and that instead of making things better for their voter they are wonderful because they are making things worse for others. That seems to cheer some people up. However, it does sadden me but then they would be doing that covid or no covid.

I wonder just what/who you are seeing that is so miserable and how throwing of the mask you were occasionally will help?

More and more people are predicting the very swift demise of Johnson- and many Conservatives are getting VERY jittery. Of course this will be dismissed by the few here who still support him (the article below is from the Guardian after all- yesterday's) - but the writing is on the wall.

The BIG question now, is what next, or who next?

''On Covid, meanwhile, a different group of renegade backbenchers, including Steve Baker and Mark Harper, have harried the government towards pressing ahead with the 19 July reopening.

Their scepticism effectively killed off the idea of mandatory Covid certificates for entering crowded venues, too, because the government believed it could not get the idea past the Commons without Labour support – though ministers are now urging businesses to implement the scheme anyway.

As the parliamentary term nears its end, Johnson and his chancellor are scrambling to put the finishing touches to a social care package they hope could address claims the government lacks a purpose. But some of their colleagues believe they could still be blown off course – yet again – by the pandemic.

MPs have sensed a narrowing in the polls and the ebbing away of the vaccine bounce. “Public memories are extremely short,” said a senior moderate MP. “I think if we have to reimpose masks then we can just about survive. But if we have to ever close businesses again then the plummet in support we saw last Christmas will be nothing. It’ll be like that on steroids. And colleagues would revolt. The PM is finished.''

Better stockpile loo rolls again.

Several friends and family are already doing that ...

Kali2 may I respectfully point out that it is possible to be a Conservative at heart, but not supportive of Mr.Johnson.

Stockpiling is selfish, please spare a thought for the families who live hand to mouth, week by week and cannot afford to hoard for the sake of it!!!

I don’t see how people that are Conservatives at heart can support anyone in this government.

How many were at the football and tennis, who now have COVID that was plain stupid to have all those people together, but money talks.
Only a few teenagers have bothered to wear masks, while the senior generation have mainly obeyed the rules and we haven’t all shut ourselves off from the world.

MayBee70

I don’t see how people that are Conservatives at heart can support anyone in this government.

I did vote Conservative, mainly due to my constituency MP, I have absolutely no idea who I will vote for or even if I will vote in the next general election.

The countdown to the next lockdown begins tomorrow on “Irreversible Freedom Day”

GrannyGravy13

Kali2 may I respectfully point out that it is possible to be a Conservative at heart, but not supportive of Mr.Johnson.

I am fully aware of this. The case for many friends and close family. So far they have supported him to protect the Party and to ensure they keep Labour out- but the tide is truly turning and they are now beginning to voice their dismay, disgust even, very loudly.

PippaZ,
Thank you for your kind reply.
On a personal level I do not feel unhappy at all as I have plenty of friends and we are all supporting each other.
My problem is, I do telephone befriending and it's becoming quite hard trying to cheer up lonely people who have been used to going to their various clubs and things.
Possibly, when their activities reopen it will make a big difference to their state of mind.

GrannyGravy13

Kali2 may I respectfully point out that it is possible to be a Conservative at heart, but not supportive of Mr.Johnson.

I would think there is a majority in the government who would agree with you. Sadly they uphold the "my government right or wrong" attitude politicians take. There are some very sound Conservatives just as there are also some very sound MPs in Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens, the SNPs and Independents.

Could anyone recommend a comfortable bra that “lifts and separates?!” Have wasted money on ones such as the “lacy bra” which are only suitable for small busted ladies.

wicklowwinnie

PippaZ,
Thank you for your kind reply.
On a personal level I do not feel unhappy at all as I have plenty of friends and we are all supporting each other.
My problem is, I do telephone befriending and it's becoming quite hard trying to cheer up lonely people who have been used to going to their various clubs and things.
Possibly, when their activities reopen it will make a big difference to their state of mind.

That must be difficult, especially if it was previously their only contact. I think we could work our way toward bringing much if not most back over a reasonable period of time. I just think the attitude (for which I blame Johnson) for tomorrow is very much throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I’d be really grateful if those of you who know a better way to handle this pandemic, would let us and the government know. I’d also like to know where you get your great insights, as it seems the whole world is doing it the wrong way, when we really should have been asking for you for your advice. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t, I do wonder which political party could have done any better in the uk,

Nanette1955

I’d be really grateful if those of you who know a better way to handle this pandemic, would let us and the government know. I’d also like to know where you get your great insights, as it seems the whole world is doing it the wrong way, when we really should have been asking for you for your advice. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t, I do wonder which political party could have done any better in the uk,

Where shall we start. If you really, really don’t know the answer to your question, you haven’t been paying attention since January 2020 and possibly before that.

I was talking to a health worker recently who told me they have been briefed and preparing for another lockdown

I've been told that today too, by someone whose daughter is a nurse in London, and son is in the army.
Both are preparing for it.

Whitewavemark2,

I nearly laughed aloud when I read your reply to Nanette1955.

That was a very political method of not answering her question. So you really do not know the answer to her question although you think the Govt has got it all wrong. No solutions?

Nanette1955

I’d be really grateful if those of you who know a better way to handle this pandemic, would let us and the government know. I’d also like to know where you get your great insights, as it seems the whole world is doing it the wrong way, when we really should have been asking for you for your advice. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t, I do wonder which political party could have done any better in the uk,

There’s an article about a book in today’s Times which details the mistakes the government has made throughout the pandemic and how they ignored the advice given them by SAGE. I can’t do a link I’m afraid. I’ll find out the name if the book. If you read it it will answer your question.

This is good for starters Anniel.
news.sky.com/story/covid-crisis-were-lockdowns-too-late-12212241

There’s an article about a book in today’s Times which details the mistakes the government has made throughout the pandemic and how they ignored the advice given them by SAGE. I can’t do a link I’m afraid. I’ll find out the name if the book. If you read it it will answer your question.

I don't know if it's the same book, but I bought one a few months ago. It's called 'Failures of the State' and is by two Sunday Times journalists from their Insight team.

Also, I think there's one recently published called 'Spiked' by, I think, a former member of the No 10 team.

There have been a number of analyses of the conduct of the pandemic published over this year.

Government supporters might object that they are 'political' and 'biased', but all they do is pull together much of the information that has been available since the start, plus some interviews with leading actors, such as medical staff and civil servants.

It’s called The Spike. The virus versus the people.By Jeremy Ferrar.

And if you really want me to list failure after failure by Johnson, that has resulted in 10s of thousands unnecessary deaths I will, but I’m pretty sure that given your failure to have missed them first time around you wont read what I list either.