Chris Whitty - another lockdown

Chomsky describes the technique very well- in this case, it stated with 'defund' and the job will be finished with 'catastrophic destruction in a pandemic' - just to make sure.

As Peston just said, this is just a massive gamble- and asking the question 'why'!?!

The theory many are coming up with is that the only possible reason is that Johnson and ERG actually want the NHS to collapse totally- so they can have the perfect excuse to privatise it. Cynical- but it makes increasing sense.

Thank you for that rosie. That feels more like what I expected. That means 60% are only one or none to 40% double.

Sir Patrick Vallance has just tweeted he made a mistake it’s 40% double vaccinated

On another point, I may scream at the next Conservative MP who trips out "we have to learn to live with it". It's trite and meaningless.

What we probably have to do is learn to coexist with it. If I live with "something" it's usually of benefit to me (and possibly the "thing"). Coexisting is not nearly as pleasant or as easy.

Ellianne

Yes 60%.
But to put it in perspective, now that so many are double jabbed there will be a certain number of people, mainly the vulnerable, ending up in hospital after 2 jabs anyway.
That was my simple understanding?

Mine too Ellianne. It still means that more people who have had two vaccinations are falling ill than people who have had one or none. Even though the people who have had them are a bigger cohort I still find that surprising.

Juicywords

Then close until they have been vaccinated

They have been closed for 15 months I know I would not do to well with no income for that long

It just seems the strategy has not been thought through.

Then close until they have been vaccinated

Ellianne

^Because there has not yet been time for young people to have received two jabs.^
Good point Rosie, but during the next 10 weeks there will be no excuse for the young not be double jabbed by the end of September. Which is pretty much the start of the university year too.

Some will still refuse to be jabbed their is quite a lot of anger about this already and it may well be reversed

Juicywords

Why give nightclubs a 2 month free ticket to spread? Either insist on a vaccination pass now or close until September.

Well it will certainly now put pressure on nightclub owners to be properly ready. No excuses there either

Because there has not yet been time for young people to have received two jabs.
Good point Rosie, but during the next 10 weeks there will be no excuse for the young not be double jabbed by the end of September. Which is pretty much the start of the university year too.

Maybe just maybe the government hope that, by young people seeing their friends catching covid they might be persuaded to then have the vaccination? But the government wouldn’t do anything as underhand as that, would they ?

Juicywords

Why give nightclubs a 2 month free ticket to spread? Either insist on a vaccination pass now or close until September.

Because there has not yet been time for young people to have received two jabs

Why give nightclubs a 2 month free ticket to spread? Either insist on a vaccination pass now or close until September.

Yes 60%.
But to put it in perspective, now that so many are double jabbed there will be a certain number of people, mainly the vulnerable, ending up in hospital after 2 jabs anyway.
That was my simple understanding?

That's what I thought I heard. Of course, it's not as bad as it sounds as it's 60% of hospital admissions. It was higher than I had expected, though. I expected a higher percentage of young unvaccinated.

PippaZ

Did anyone catch what the percentage of those going into hospital who are double jabbed was? I got a bit overwhelmed by multiple percentages.

I do like Beth Rigby's forensic reporting. I have to agree with her; Johnson is a worried man.

I believe it was 60%

Did anyone catch what the percentage of those going into hospital who are double jabbed was? I got a bit overwhelmed by multiple percentages.

I do like Beth Rigby's forensic reporting. I have to agree with her; Johnson is a worried man.

Who does the briefing? A man in a grey suit?

I think Whitty is the briefer, not the briefee

Yes, he is the same Chris Witty. I do believe he is briefed on what he has to say prior to appearing on the televised briefing.

MayBee70 and Casdon, thank you for giving information. Actually, I do read Spike and what is more I do actually agree that going into lockdown should have happened sooner.

Unlike some others I can see where mistakes are made but try to understand why. Firstly, Boris is libertarian politically although being in government makes that more difficult! But some people here seem to ignore the problems lockdown caused mainly to the economy but also to the social fabric of the country…to family, to friends and to children. We have lots of people arriving in the country from all parts of the world who could bring an unseen virus with them and I do think we were far too slow in carrying out basic tests, not that taking temperatures is conclusive. It is just an example of our laxness. I was really just not allowing Whitewave2 to get away with ignoring the question.. Being a Conservative is not the easiest of positions here. I conclude that many members are grans but much younger than me. And the politics here ( or at least of those who post) are more to the Left than me, but the constant posts by a few members who are only here to push their own agenda. Just now and then the desire to argue back has me replying. I should just ignore some people …I know that and should let others do a better job than I can.

And they do seem to learn by their mistakes instead of consistently making them over and over again.

From all I see and hear all governments have made mistakes even those that shouted loudest in the early days have gone quiet as their own countries have succumbed and a number have been found to be less than honest in the statistics they provide.

Very few of them have managed to kill as many of their citizens as ours has, Kamiso.

Don’t apologise Mamaballoon. You have every right to be angry x