“I know of no episode in history, where a government has willingly aided and abetted the spread of a dangerous infectious disease amongst its own population”

Juicywords, we will sadly have members of the population, family members in some cases, who will pay for the way this has been dealt with for decades. As well as those with cancer, some need joint replacements, etc. That may not be life-saving. However, their problems are continuing to worsen while they wait. And then there is long Covid; something we have no idea about yet.

Think we all have to accept that the Government BJ in particular haven’t got a clue, are too arrogant to listen to scientists and quite frankly don’t care how many people’s lives are lost in this ludicrous gamble. When will this country wake up to the fact that BJ’s ego is far more important than the lives of the people in this country. He is not Churchill, never will be and we are not here to help fulfil his lunatic fantasies.

Whitewave did you enjoy lunch out with your family group at a public restaurant?

Did you do it safely? You've had both jabs? Eating outside with lots of fresh air. No-one in your party that should have been self-isolating. Trusting the restaurant was following the advice of this government.

I ask as COVID is absolutely rampant in the North East according to the government's statistics, published daily. Personally, we've cancelled a trip to see family in the Manchester area next week as numbers are high there (but lower than NE).
So I ask myself whether you really believe the headline of this post .... but it has provoked some good discussion.

From Jason Hunter today:

19 new Covid cases in Melbourne.... so they shut down the whole state of Victoria (where my daughter lives) again for 5 days while they Track and Trace.
UK has over 54 fuxking THOUSAND CASES in a single day and opens bloody nightclubs!

Brian Bilston has written this parody of Rudyard Kipling's poem “If”.

HolySox

Whitewave did you enjoy lunch out with your family group at a public restaurant?

Did you do it safely? You've had both jabs? Eating outside with lots of fresh air. No-one in your party that should have been self-isolating. Trusting the restaurant was following the advice of this government.

I ask as COVID is absolutely rampant in the North East according to the government's statistics, published daily. Personally, we've cancelled a trip to see family in the Manchester area next week as numbers are high there (but lower than NE).
So I ask myself whether you really believe the headline of this post .... but it has provoked some good discussion.

Did she say she was eating at a restaurant in the North East? Did she not say they were all eating outside?

HolySox

Whitewave did you enjoy lunch out with your family group at a public restaurant?

Did you do it safely? You've had both jabs? Eating outside with lots of fresh air. No-one in your party that should have been self-isolating. Trusting the restaurant was following the advice of this government.

I ask as COVID is absolutely rampant in the North East according to the government's statistics, published daily. Personally, we've cancelled a trip to see family in the Manchester area next week as numbers are high there (but lower than NE).
So I ask myself whether you really believe the headline of this post .... but it has provoked some good discussion.

Lunch was taken in the open air in Welwyn Garden City.

All behaviour was closely monitored by one of the attendees - a doctor???.

And yes, until someone is able to show me that the author of the OP is wrong, I do believe that this government is making history. I think that Johnson is totally incapable and should never be the prime minister.

I shall continue to say so until he’s gone.

Oh! And I met a GNetter last week, and a lovely time we had. All present were very, very sensible enjoying ourselves in the fresh air.

Ashcombe!!
I so wish you hadn't posted that, I just recommended it as a poem suitable for a funeral!

Ashcombe

Brian Bilston has written this parody of Rudyard Kipling's poem “If”.

Having just watched Cummings -odious man, - but so much of what he said I recognised as true, because I remember it happening at the time. He just puts the icing on what we know.

Callistemon

*Ashcombe*!!
I so wish you hadn't posted that, I just recommended it as a poem suitable for a funeral!

Sorry, Callistemon, but I hope you feel able to use the original, nevertheless.

Whitewavemark2

That should read

“What is easy to disapprove”

The title of this thread is easy to disprove, several posters have already done it. SueDonim and muffinthemoo to name two of them.

And all PMs make history, one way or another.

The meat of the post, the thing you want us to talk about, is sandwiched between untrue claims and a one-line comment on the voting intentions of your fellow citizens.

Ashcombe

Callistemon

Ashcombe!!
I so wish you hadn't posted that, I just recommended it as a poem suitable for a funeral!

Sorry, Callistemon, but I hope you feel able to use the original, nevertheless.

Yes, it was the original and very apt for the much loved and admired deceased.

Go on then show me how easy it is to disprove.

Pull apart the untrue claims.

WWM2

The title says I know of no episode in history, where a government has willingly aided and abetted the spread of a dangerous infectious disease amongst its own population

SueDonim, at about lunchtime today - the Tuskegee Syphillis Experiment.

The initial statement of this post, the title, is based on a fallacy. QED.

Alegrias1

WWM2

The title says I know of no episode in history, where a government has willingly aided and abetted the spread of a dangerous infectious disease amongst its own population

SueDonim, at about lunchtime today - the Tuskegee Syphillis Experiment.

The initial statement of this post, the title, is based on a fallacy. QED.

?? tell me how many people did it involve?

Did it involve a particular group or allowed to spread randomly, or was the spread controlled?

Was the intention to create herd immunity?

Porton Down and the common cold experiments?

They also carried out other tests under the guise of common cold experiments but not on the whole population.

All experiments at PD are strictly controlled.

Not then and those being experimented on had no idea.

Callistemon

Not then and those being experimented on had no idea.

It is entirely different from the current scenario. The experiments were controlled experiments on a finite number of people.

Watch out everyone, those goalposts are moving...

Nannytopsy

But you don’t get a hundred different answers you get mainly the same answer from them all Mattsmum.
This is a dangerous experiment, condemned throughout the world, carried out on our own population.

I didn’t say you would get 100 different answers.

Callistemon

Porton Down and the common cold experiments?

They also carried out other tests under the guise of common cold experiments but not on the whole population.

That was not on the "whole population" scale Callistemon. You and Alegrias1 seem to be saying that the examples you offer make the fact that the Johnson's government have "aided and abetted" the spread of the virus across a whole nation all okay.

Obviously, I could have got that wrong. But with people just throwing in odd, past events it's difficult to work out what you are both are trying to put forward. I would love some clarification to know what your argument actually is.

Alegrias1

Watch out everyone, those goalposts are moving...

You problem is that you constantly try to police posts, but you never come up with an answer.

I’ve asked you to disprove the OP. You quoted another poster, I countered with a rebuff saying that the experiment bore no relationship to what is happening in this country. The experiment, was controlled very limited and only carried out on a certain societal group.

Likewise any experiment carried out at PD.

I have asked you to give me an example of another government that has acted as this government has done.

That was not on the "whole population" scale Callistemon

Isn't that just what I said, PippaZ?

Nor did I say those experiments were OK - far from it.

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