Is it just me who is terrified of the way this country and the whole world is turning out

But I don't want to have it. Surely I have a right to choose what I want in my body, not the government?

Of course you have the right to choose, just as people who employ you have the right to choose not to employ people who don't have the vaccine. You have the right to choose to work elsewhere.
The residents you care for unfortunately do not have that choice, neither do the people who may have to care for you should you catch covid.

Itsawelshthing

I understand what you are all saying but I still think it is wrong to mandate vaccines. I've no idea why my post has been reported for?

Many have explained why. Yes it is good to discuss these difficult issues, but I am not sure you are listening to others?

Have you lost anyone to Covid? Have you seen the suffering it causes? I have lost a nephew, 50 years old, father of 3, who lost his day at the same time. I have got friends who were infected with Covid actually in hospital- whilst fighting for their lives for something else. I have an OH who is very vulnerable- yes he is 75, but I can assure you he has so much to live for, and wants to live for.

And now we have Doctors and nurses having death threats by anti vax mobs- shouting for them to be hanged for being part of the 'conspiracy'. Doctors and nurses who have worked so hard, in terrible conditions, often not properly protected themselves, and some dying of the consequences. So your stance is very hard to take.

So you decided to post on the forum that’s populated by people statistically more likely to be vulnerable to Covid rather than the forum where plenty of people are refusing the vaccine? Interesting.

I may be wrong about this, but this reminds me of something years ago.

I was in a car park and I saw this young woman, maybe in her twenties, tugging frantically at the door handle of a car. She looked very upset. I was probably late 30s at the time. I asked if she was alright. She asked me to check that the car door was properly locked. I checked. It was. I got the impression that something had happened with a car and it not being properly locked on a previous occasion. So she was checking and checking and checking.

So I imagined the lady here as perhaps like her. That is how I imagined. Perhaps wanting us to check something.

So should we ask to see the (so-called?) research that is being quoted please and calmly check what is being said and say what we think on that basis?

itsawelshthing
How can you take someone seriously who wears a turquoise shell suit: come on?

Sorry. Back to the serious stuff.

MerylStreep

itsawelshthing
How can you take someone seriously who wears a turquoise shell suit: come on?

Sorry. Back to the serious stuff.

Women wear various colours and people take them seriously.

Well, some of us do.

AmberSpyglass

So you decided to post on the forum that’s populated by people statistically more likely to be vulnerable to Covid rather than the forum where plenty of people are refusing the vaccine? Interesting.

Yes it is interesting.

Yet the lady has chosen to post here, and she is welcome.

We could get into why anybody posts here. That would be interesting. Where would it go? Yet that is for another thread.

For whatever reason she posted here, she did post here, she is welcome. I hope she continues to post. I hope posting and reading replies helps.

Helps all of us, including her.

I feel sorry for you, ItsaWelshthing. You are obviously a very caring and thoughtful person who feels overwhelmed with all the things that are going on in the world at the moment, but it has always been so and it has also been much worse, think of world wars, the Black Death and the 1918 flu pandemic, to name but a few. We are lucky that science has found a way out of this current pandemic. I think you have got things out of proportion. May I suggest that you listen to reputable news broadcasts and discussions such as the BBC and ITV, likewise with newspapers, and avoid the conspiracy theorists who do not have the backing of mainstream science (even though they probably say they do). Yes, you may have to find a new career but, as others have said, we need to protect the vulnerable in care homes. If you still decide not to have the vaccine you may still be able to find new employment where you do not come into contact with the public. You are right about Gransnet being kinder than Mumsnet, we are also perhaps, due to our age and life experiences, wiser. Most of us here will have had two jabs by now and we have lived to tell the tale. Give it some thought and I wish you all the best whatever you decide.

I understand your concern itsawelshthing and I haven't read all the replies.

However, the bottom line is quite simple, it will be mandatory for care home workers. Care home workers were responsible for some spreading of the virus in the beginning, moving from one work situation to another, that is how it spread.

If I had a relative in a care home I would expect the staff to have been vaccinated. It is only right to protect those you are looking after.

I am afraid you have to consider your position very carefully and I am sure you know that and make the necessary choices.

I wish you well.

And I have no idea why your post has been reported! Baffling. You are welcome to post on here, there are good and understanding people here, who will listen and whose advice is sound.

ElderlyPerson You ask "So should we ask to see the (so-called?) research that is being quoted please and calmly check what is being said and say what we think on that basis?"

The research isn't hidden. There are many links to reports by researchers on the internet, some of which links appear on GN threads. Wherever possible, the original documents should be consulted, but the raw accounts of the studies carried out are not always easy to read for laymen. Reputable interpreters of the scientific language used have also "translated" them for the rest of us.

ElderlyPerson
Obviously the shell suit jokes passed you by.

MerylStreep

ElderlyPerson
Obviously the shell suit jokes passed you by.

I had never heard of shell suit jokes.

I am not sure as to what is a shell suit.

I have now found this link, but I am not sure it is quite the same thing.

punsandoneliners.com/randomness/shell-jokes/

My 37 year old DS and DGS have just spent the weekend with me. My son is not vaccinated and does not want to be.
He and his wife are trying for their second child.
He was tested the day before he came and I am double Pfizer
vaccinated.
The other Grandparents who he visited are uneasy and arguementative over this issue. I am not.
How many of us at the same age and in the same situation would not have second thoughts about the vaccination?
Both my son and his wife work from home.

CoVid research links - 05 May 2021

The Journal "Nature" waded through the literature on the coronavirus — and summarized key papers as they appeared.

COVID research: a year of scientific milestones
www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w

About the journal - www.nature.com/nature/about

Someone on Twitter said ‘ if a cause has Katie Hopkins, David Icke, Lawrence Fox and Right Said Fred as it’s front men then I don’t care what it’s about, I’m on the other side!’ That stands for me too. ?

ElderlyPerson
Where were you in the 80s?
Here you are.

www.google.co.uk/search?q=david+icke+shell+suit&client=safari&hl=en-gb&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=pW6kcEHT4-6iIM%252CVUCAWTpKa2KFMM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kSwY2N8Ac3bc4WI31uX--FeZ4j__Q&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmq5XJuv7xAhUlrXEKHeD2Cb8Q9QF6BAgPEAE&biw=1300&bih=891#imgrc=pW6kcEHT4-6iIM

Perhaps some of you remember posting this the other day. One of my neighbours in the 70s when our daughters were babies/toddlers- told a group of us parents in the same street that she did not have to get her kids MMR vsccinated, because her kids were protected by us providing immunity!

Same applies this time - personal freedom is all very well, but herd immunity only works when a significant proportion of the population is vaccinated- above 70%.

Or, next time your invited to a bad taste fancy dress party, these always go down well.

www.amazon.co.uk/sowest-80s-mens-shell-suit/dp/B07P6KQ9TR/ref=asc_df_B07P6KQ9TR/?hvlocphy=1007091&linkCode=df0&hvptwo&psc=1&hvnetw=g&hvadid=341135956988&hvpone&hvlocint&hvpos&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl&hvqmt&tag=gransnetforum-21&hvtargid=pla-697282130768&hvrand=11525068538249590682

Itsawelshthing

I understand what you are all saying but I still think it is wrong to mandate vaccines. I've no idea why my post has been reported for?

Do you accept you need a passport to travel abroad? A driving licence ? Vaccinations against yellow fever er typhoid etc for certain countries ?

If you don’t t need it and contract Covid and are very ill do you then accept not needing treatment ? Or will you take up a hospital bed ?

Sorry but this anti vax thing makes me so angry.

Plus, the reason herd immunity works then is because they are less likely to meet someone who has it, not because they have some magic protection from infection by reason of other people being vaccinated. They are riding on the backs of those who are vaccinated, and are damned lucky that others have taken the positive step for them.

That was to Kali.

As I’ve said before any long term effects of the vaccine cannot be known and by long term I mean 5, 10, 15, 20 years etc. The vaccine is new which is why the medical regulator has said that it should only be used for vulnerable young people.

The OP feels she is being pressured into having the vaccine. I too am concerned about the way this country is moving towards the right. LBC presenters are discussing this drift towards state control.

I’m concerned about the possible theft of our medical records by stealth (Gransnet in June) and also on the BBC news. Sections of the medical profession were extremely concerned and action has been put off until the Autumn.

Part of the population is concerned about the continual untruths told in both the press and Parliament. What about the awarding of contracts by government bodies to friends of friends?

The new police bill going through Parliament at the moment.

I’m truly concerned about the erosion of our civil liberties and I think I have an idea of where OP is coming from. The thin end of the wedge?

OP I suspect you are unaware of just how many jobs require the employee to be subjected to inoculations and other controls.

The Military is an obvious occupation but Flight Crew and Cabin Crew have to have their medical and inoculations up to date.

Off Shore workers and many many business travellers are required to have vaccinations that other people don't need but they do, goes with the job.

For many people who don't want the Jab, easy get another Job.

Care Workers are not being singled out for Jabs.

Yes the introduction of the requirement for "Covid Vaccinations" is new to your employment.

But the concept of Vaccinating the Worker to "Protect Others" is not new. Be please you don't have to have some of the other vaccines OH, DD2, me and others on GN have had to have over the years to do our jobs.

I suppose the requirement for "Care Workers" to be vaccinated may fall under the broader area of Health and Safety.

Under H&S there are a number of "Workers" who are subjected to 'Requirements' that seem intrusive but they go with the job, Drugs and Alcohol testing for example.

Therefore, take the job or don't, keep the job or leave, those are the choices.

I do understand how adjusting to 'Newly Introduced' requirements can be annoying or feel like an attack on a workers personal liberty but these things are there for the Safety and Welfare of others whatever the Nay Sayers would have people think.

As someone has already said getting some welfare support and may be counselling might be a good things for you to look into. Along with other posters I suspect you have some higher than pre-Covid Anxiety that's not helping you cope with "What Is" right now.

Good Luck for a good outcome

ayse

As I’ve said before any long term effects of the vaccine cannot be known and by long term I mean 5, 10, 15, 20 years etc. The vaccine is new which is why the medical regulator has said that it should only be used for vulnerable young people.

The OP feels she is being pressured into having the vaccine. I too am concerned about the way this country is moving towards the right. LBC presenters are discussing this drift towards state control.

I’m concerned about the possible theft of our medical records by stealth (Gransnet in June) and also on the BBC news. Sections of the medical profession were extremely concerned and action has been put off until the Autumn.

Part of the population is concerned about the continual untruths told in both the press and Parliament. What about the awarding of contracts by government bodies to friends of friends?

The new police bill going through Parliament at the moment.

I’m truly concerned about the erosion of our civil liberties and I think I have an idea of where OP is coming from. The thin end of the wedge?

Asking everyone to be vaccinated against a dangerous disease is nothing to do with right wing policies. Nothing. In fact many if the rabidly anti vax, anti lockdown people are very right wing.

I am definitely not right wing and I fully support vaccination and vaccination passports,