Is it just me who is terrified of the way this country and the whole world is turning out

If you listen to David Icke, you are a conspiracy theorist.

I know people who have died from Covid, I know people who have been very ill with Covid, I know people who still have long Covid.

Itsawelshthing

I have read all of your replies and I honestly do appreciate and take on board every single one. I am not a conspiracy theorist, just someone who does not want to be treated like dirt because of the decision I made not to get vaccinated.

As for knowing people who had covid, I know loads of them, including one of my friends family member who unfortunately has a compromised immune system with other array of illnesses and she was fine and recovered with no issues, the rest had a little temperature and had a headache but they all said if they could go to work, they would.

I'm not using that as an excuse not to get it but, I will take my chances.... Who knows if I will regret saying that or not. I'm not bothered about what the future will bring because I don't see one anymore.

But what are your reasons for NOT having it ?

Itsawelshthing, if you don't want the vaccine it's not illegal not to have it. But when you say you will take your chances, what do you mean? Odds are you'll not be extremely unwell due to age etc. But you could pass it on to someone older. More vulnerable. Who couldn't have the vaccine. Or the vaccine didn't take for them. No vaccine has 100% success rate.

Personally I think that it's a way out of this pandemic. Covid isn't going away but for those who get it, the vaccine has proved that the symptoms are less severe and people are unlikely to be hospitalised.

And you do have a future!

I have read all of your replies and I honestly do appreciate and take on board every single one. I am not a conspiracy theorist, just someone who does not want to be treated like dirt because of the decision I made not to get vaccinated.

As for knowing people who had covid, I know loads of them, including one of my friends family member who unfortunately has a compromised immune system with other array of illnesses and she was fine and recovered with no issues, the rest had a little temperature and had a headache but they all said if they could go to work, they would.

I'm not using that as an excuse not to get it but, I will take my chances.... Who knows if I will regret saying that or not. I'm not bothered about what the future will bring because I don't see one anymore.

And unnecessarily taking up hospital space and time when we have a huge backlog of, for example, cancer patients needing treatment. I’m very sorry but I think not having the vaccine is selfish. There need to be very good reasons not to have it. I Have a friend with multiple allergies but she is a doctor too so knows what she is talking about and had no hesitation in having the jab.

People who are young and fit are getting seriously ill in the current wave, according to Professor Adam Finn:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/25/seriously-ill-young-people-in-current-covid-admissions-expert-warns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

For an unvaccinated person, the chances of a life threatening reaction to vaccination are minuscule compared to the chances of contracting a life-threatening infection of Covid 19.

I completely disagree with those who don’t want the vaccine unless, of course, there is a medical reason for not having it. My children and grandchildren have been vaccinated against measles. I wish it had been available in my childhood. I was 5 when I had it and was ill for about 4 months. Fortunately I was an only child as my mother had to nurse me devotedly for most of that time. I was left with eyesight and hearing problems. Thank God for medical progress!

First up ItsaWelshThing. Thank you so much for all the hard work you do to look after us oldies in your care home. It can't be easy. Where would we be without you!!!

I was adamant I wasn't going to have the vaccine either as I had lots of worries about it -some the same as yours. A few days ago someone on Gransnet suggested I speak to my GP about it. I trust my GP very much and so I spoke to her. She talked me through it and answered my questions with no pressure to have the vaccine at all.

After I'd spoken to her I felt so much happier and confident about things that booked my vaccine and am having it on Wednesday.

I'd really recommend you speak to your GP or a medical professional you trust. One thing is sure, they will know a lot more than random people on the net, David Icke and us gransnetters.

The world has always been a scary place. When I was growing up the government were issuing everyone with leaflets telling them how to survive a nuclear attack! I used to lie awake worrying about that like you lie awake worrying now. No bomb has gone off yet and that is MANY years later.
When I look back I realise I should have just had a glass of cider and got some kip. I hope you get some peace of mind soon and stay very safe.

Yes Itsawelshthing of course you have the right to choose. Life is full of choices sometimes we get it right and sometimes we don't. What concerns me is that is is younger people like yourself who are now being infected and hospitalised. Believe us on here when we say getting covid is far worse than having the vaccinations. Please talk to people who have had or know others with Covid, especially those who have lost loved ones and then ask yourself if your approach is right. Whatever you decide I wish you well.

seems to be no prevention to this virus.

seems to be no prevention to getting the virus.

MerylStreep

ElderlyPerson
Obviously the shell suit jokes passed you by.

I think everyone else knows what you meant, MerylStreep.
Along with other posters' comments about lizards.

It isn't all about what you want or don't want. You have the choice, but with that choice comes the responsibility to choose well, and if you choose not to take the route which best protects you and others then you have to take alternative steps to compensate. Are you willing to do that, or do you plan to just carry on regardless?

I agree with Elegran that with the choice to work in a caring profession, eg a care home for the old and vulnerable, comes responsibility. That responsibility means taking precautions not to pass on to them anything likely to make them very ill or to die, one step being to get vaccinated against Covid.

It may not protect you or them absolutely but, combined with other precautions, it should lessen the chances. If you are apprehensive about being vaccinated perhaps you could consider a different career path which doesn't bring you in direct contact with other people?

Sadly, being young, fit and eating well seems to be no prevention to this virus.

Gwyneth

I recognise that you have the right to choose whether or not you have the vaccine * itsawelshthing* but would you also choose not to be treated in a hospital should you catch covid as a result of not being vaccinated and need hospital treatment?

Exactly

Lucca

ayse

As I’ve said before any long term effects of the vaccine cannot be known and by long term I mean 5, 10, 15, 20 years etc. The vaccine is new which is why the medical regulator has said that it should only be used for vulnerable young people.

The OP feels she is being pressured into having the vaccine. I too am concerned about the way this country is moving towards the right. LBC presenters are discussing this drift towards state control.

I’m concerned about the possible theft of our medical records by stealth (Gransnet in June) and also on the BBC news. Sections of the medical profession were extremely concerned and action has been put off until the Autumn.

Part of the population is concerned about the continual untruths told in both the press and Parliament. What about the awarding of contracts by government bodies to friends of friends?

The new police bill going through Parliament at the moment.

I’m truly concerned about the erosion of our civil liberties and I think I have an idea of where OP is coming from. The thin end of the wedge?

Asking everyone to be vaccinated against a dangerous disease is nothing to do with right wing policies. Nothing. In fact many if the rabidly anti vax, anti lockdown people are very right wing.

I am definitely not right wing and I fully support vaccination and vaccination passports,

I don’t think you have read my reply properly!

I have said nothing against being vaccinated!

However, should we then expect ALL children to be vaccinated before they go to school as is done in the USA to protect all children from childhood diseases?

Covid is fatal for some and in the world the mortality rate is c.3.4% of the population. I understood that once herd immunity was reached we could live a relatively normal life. But no! Now there are going to be more hoops to jump through and this is what I mean by creeping authoritarianism.

I recognise that you have the right to choose whether or not you have the vaccine * itsawelshthing* but would you also choose not to be treated in a hospital should you catch covid as a result of not being vaccinated and need hospital treatment?

I would like to ask Itsawelsthing if she's had other vaccinations and if so why is she so against this one?

ayse

As I’ve said before any long term effects of the vaccine cannot be known and by long term I mean 5, 10, 15, 20 years etc. The vaccine is new which is why the medical regulator has said that it should only be used for vulnerable young people.

The OP feels she is being pressured into having the vaccine. I too am concerned about the way this country is moving towards the right. LBC presenters are discussing this drift towards state control.

I’m concerned about the possible theft of our medical records by stealth (Gransnet in June) and also on the BBC news. Sections of the medical profession were extremely concerned and action has been put off until the Autumn.

Part of the population is concerned about the continual untruths told in both the press and Parliament. What about the awarding of contracts by government bodies to friends of friends?

The new police bill going through Parliament at the moment.

I’m truly concerned about the erosion of our civil liberties and I think I have an idea of where OP is coming from. The thin end of the wedge?

Asking everyone to be vaccinated against a dangerous disease is nothing to do with right wing policies. Nothing. In fact many if the rabidly anti vax, anti lockdown people are very right wing.

I am definitely not right wing and I fully support vaccination and vaccination passports,

OP I suspect you are unaware of just how many jobs require the employee to be subjected to inoculations and other controls.

The Military is an obvious occupation but Flight Crew and Cabin Crew have to have their medical and inoculations up to date.

Off Shore workers and many many business travellers are required to have vaccinations that other people don't need but they do, goes with the job.

For many people who don't want the Jab, easy get another Job.

Care Workers are not being singled out for Jabs.

Yes the introduction of the requirement for "Covid Vaccinations" is new to your employment.

But the concept of Vaccinating the Worker to "Protect Others" is not new. Be please you don't have to have some of the other vaccines OH, DD2, me and others on GN have had to have over the years to do our jobs.

I suppose the requirement for "Care Workers" to be vaccinated may fall under the broader area of Health and Safety.

Under H&S there are a number of "Workers" who are subjected to 'Requirements' that seem intrusive but they go with the job, Drugs and Alcohol testing for example.

Therefore, take the job or don't, keep the job or leave, those are the choices.

I do understand how adjusting to 'Newly Introduced' requirements can be annoying or feel like an attack on a workers personal liberty but these things are there for the Safety and Welfare of others whatever the Nay Sayers would have people think.

As someone has already said getting some welfare support and may be counselling might be a good things for you to look into. Along with other posters I suspect you have some higher than pre-Covid Anxiety that's not helping you cope with "What Is" right now.

Good Luck for a good outcome

As I’ve said before any long term effects of the vaccine cannot be known and by long term I mean 5, 10, 15, 20 years etc. The vaccine is new which is why the medical regulator has said that it should only be used for vulnerable young people.

The OP feels she is being pressured into having the vaccine. I too am concerned about the way this country is moving towards the right. LBC presenters are discussing this drift towards state control.

I’m concerned about the possible theft of our medical records by stealth (Gransnet in June) and also on the BBC news. Sections of the medical profession were extremely concerned and action has been put off until the Autumn.

Part of the population is concerned about the continual untruths told in both the press and Parliament. What about the awarding of contracts by government bodies to friends of friends?

The new police bill going through Parliament at the moment.

I’m truly concerned about the erosion of our civil liberties and I think I have an idea of where OP is coming from. The thin end of the wedge?

That was to Kali.

Plus, the reason herd immunity works then is because they are less likely to meet someone who has it, not because they have some magic protection from infection by reason of other people being vaccinated. They are riding on the backs of those who are vaccinated, and are damned lucky that others have taken the positive step for them.

Itsawelshthing

I understand what you are all saying but I still think it is wrong to mandate vaccines. I've no idea why my post has been reported for?

Do you accept you need a passport to travel abroad? A driving licence ? Vaccinations against yellow fever er typhoid etc for certain countries ?

If you don’t t need it and contract Covid and are very ill do you then accept not needing treatment ? Or will you take up a hospital bed ?

Sorry but this anti vax thing makes me so angry.

Or, next time your invited to a bad taste fancy dress party, these always go down well.

www.amazon.co.uk/sowest-80s-mens-shell-suit/dp/B07P6KQ9TR/ref=asc_df_B07P6KQ9TR/?hvlocphy=1007091&linkCode=df0&hvptwo&psc=1&hvnetw=g&hvadid=341135956988&hvpone&hvlocint&hvpos&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl&hvqmt&tag=gransnetforum-21&hvtargid=pla-697282130768&hvrand=11525068538249590682

Perhaps some of you remember posting this the other day. One of my neighbours in the 70s when our daughters were babies/toddlers- told a group of us parents in the same street that she did not have to get her kids MMR vsccinated, because her kids were protected by us providing immunity!

Same applies this time - personal freedom is all very well, but herd immunity only works when a significant proportion of the population is vaccinated- above 70%.

ElderlyPerson
Where were you in the 80s?
Here you are.

www.google.co.uk/search?q=david+icke+shell+suit&client=safari&hl=en-gb&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=pW6kcEHT4-6iIM%252CVUCAWTpKa2KFMM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kSwY2N8Ac3bc4WI31uX--FeZ4j__Q&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmq5XJuv7xAhUlrXEKHeD2Cb8Q9QF6BAgPEAE&biw=1300&bih=891#imgrc=pW6kcEHT4-6iIM