Is it just me who is terrified of the way this country and the whole world is turning out

Someone on Twitter said ‘ if a cause has Katie Hopkins, David Icke, Lawrence Fox and Right Said Fred as it’s front men then I don’t care what it’s about, I’m on the other side!’ That stands for me too. ?

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My 37 year old DS and DGS have just spent the weekend with me. My son is not vaccinated and does not want to be.
He and his wife are trying for their second child.
He was tested the day before he came and I am double Pfizer
vaccinated.
The other Grandparents who he visited are uneasy and arguementative over this issue. I am not.
How many of us at the same age and in the same situation would not have second thoughts about the vaccination?
Both my son and his wife work from home.

MerylStreep

ElderlyPerson
Obviously the shell suit jokes passed you by.

I had never heard of shell suit jokes.

I am not sure as to what is a shell suit.

I have now found this link, but I am not sure it is quite the same thing.

punsandoneliners.com/randomness/shell-jokes/

ElderlyPerson
Obviously the shell suit jokes passed you by.

ElderlyPerson You ask "So should we ask to see the (so-called?) research that is being quoted please and calmly check what is being said and say what we think on that basis?"

The research isn't hidden. There are many links to reports by researchers on the internet, some of which links appear on GN threads. Wherever possible, the original documents should be consulted, but the raw accounts of the studies carried out are not always easy to read for laymen. Reputable interpreters of the scientific language used have also "translated" them for the rest of us.

And I have no idea why your post has been reported! Baffling. You are welcome to post on here, there are good and understanding people here, who will listen and whose advice is sound.

I understand your concern itsawelshthing and I haven't read all the replies.

However, the bottom line is quite simple, it will be mandatory for care home workers. Care home workers were responsible for some spreading of the virus in the beginning, moving from one work situation to another, that is how it spread.

If I had a relative in a care home I would expect the staff to have been vaccinated. It is only right to protect those you are looking after.

I am afraid you have to consider your position very carefully and I am sure you know that and make the necessary choices.

I wish you well.

I feel sorry for you, ItsaWelshthing. You are obviously a very caring and thoughtful person who feels overwhelmed with all the things that are going on in the world at the moment, but it has always been so and it has also been much worse, think of world wars, the Black Death and the 1918 flu pandemic, to name but a few. We are lucky that science has found a way out of this current pandemic. I think you have got things out of proportion. May I suggest that you listen to reputable news broadcasts and discussions such as the BBC and ITV, likewise with newspapers, and avoid the conspiracy theorists who do not have the backing of mainstream science (even though they probably say they do). Yes, you may have to find a new career but, as others have said, we need to protect the vulnerable in care homes. If you still decide not to have the vaccine you may still be able to find new employment where you do not come into contact with the public. You are right about Gransnet being kinder than Mumsnet, we are also perhaps, due to our age and life experiences, wiser. Most of us here will have had two jabs by now and we have lived to tell the tale. Give it some thought and I wish you all the best whatever you decide.

AmberSpyglass

So you decided to post on the forum that’s populated by people statistically more likely to be vulnerable to Covid rather than the forum where plenty of people are refusing the vaccine? Interesting.

Yes it is interesting.

Yet the lady has chosen to post here, and she is welcome.

We could get into why anybody posts here. That would be interesting. Where would it go? Yet that is for another thread.

For whatever reason she posted here, she did post here, she is welcome. I hope she continues to post. I hope posting and reading replies helps.

Helps all of us, including her.

MerylStreep

itsawelshthing
How can you take someone seriously who wears a turquoise shell suit: come on?

Sorry. Back to the serious stuff.

Women wear various colours and people take them seriously.

Well, some of us do.

itsawelshthing
How can you take someone seriously who wears a turquoise shell suit: come on?

Sorry. Back to the serious stuff.

I may be wrong about this, but this reminds me of something years ago.

I was in a car park and I saw this young woman, maybe in her twenties, tugging frantically at the door handle of a car. She looked very upset. I was probably late 30s at the time. I asked if she was alright. She asked me to check that the car door was properly locked. I checked. It was. I got the impression that something had happened with a car and it not being properly locked on a previous occasion. So she was checking and checking and checking.

So I imagined the lady here as perhaps like her. That is how I imagined. Perhaps wanting us to check something.

So should we ask to see the (so-called?) research that is being quoted please and calmly check what is being said and say what we think on that basis?

So you decided to post on the forum that’s populated by people statistically more likely to be vulnerable to Covid rather than the forum where plenty of people are refusing the vaccine? Interesting.

Itsawelshthing

I understand what you are all saying but I still think it is wrong to mandate vaccines. I've no idea why my post has been reported for?

Many have explained why. Yes it is good to discuss these difficult issues, but I am not sure you are listening to others?

Have you lost anyone to Covid? Have you seen the suffering it causes? I have lost a nephew, 50 years old, father of 3, who lost his day at the same time. I have got friends who were infected with Covid actually in hospital- whilst fighting for their lives for something else. I have an OH who is very vulnerable- yes he is 75, but I can assure you he has so much to live for, and wants to live for.

And now we have Doctors and nurses having death threats by anti vax mobs- shouting for them to be hanged for being part of the 'conspiracy'. Doctors and nurses who have worked so hard, in terrible conditions, often not properly protected themselves, and some dying of the consequences. So your stance is very hard to take.

But I don't want to have it. Surely I have a right to choose what I want in my body, not the government?

Of course you have the right to choose, just as people who employ you have the right to choose not to employ people who don't have the vaccine. You have the right to choose to work elsewhere.
The residents you care for unfortunately do not have that choice, neither do the people who may have to care for you should you catch covid.

That's true about capacity to make informed decisions sodapop. I guess I was thinking about in home care with more capable people where it is one person visiting another to provide care rather than a home situation.

It is up to you and your beliefs itsawelshthing and up to others as to whether they want you to work with or for them.
Sadly Cafeaulait many people in residential homes or having home care are unable to make an informed decision about the vaccination issue.

It is a while since I watched Star Trek, Elderly Person. Now you have reminded me, yes, it was Doc McCoy.

I am not sure of the relevance in this thread of my old post about someone who left GN some time ago.

lemongrove point taken, sorry, but David Icke is so racist it’s a personal trigger point. I’ll think first next time Itsawelshthing apologies.

Incidentally, I too am concerned about the direction in which this country and the whole world is travelling. There is more polarisation, intolerance, anger, and violence than I remember seeing or hearing about in my over eighty years. This is nothing to do with CoVid or the way it has been handled - it goes back further than that. I fear for the future; I just can't see it being a peaceful, settled environment for anyone.

The Star Trek doctor was Dr McCoy. Scottie was in Engineering.

I remember you compared me to someone you knew born in 1943 and then went on about what people thought of him.

I would have posted exactly the same reply to Mary or Rhiannon or anyone else. I haven't "given her stick", nor have most of the replies. I believe she was reported for treating David Icke as a reliable source for research. I don't think it was for being doubtful about having the vaccine, or for being a dreadful person herself.

I hope she has taken note of the replies, particularly Mawbe's advice.

I have made an informed choice by myself that I do not want to have the vaccine, based on my research but also because I really don't need it

Really?

Thanks to Jaxjacky, doodlebug and others for your common sense approach.

It saddens me to read that there are some still adamant about not having the vaccine.

I’m also saddened itsawelshthing, that at the age of 30, you don’t have any social life at all beyond your family. You don’t say whether or not they have had the vaccine. You could be putting them at risk.

Working in a care home you must have seen how much suffering and death this virus is causing. You are young, healthy and fit. 1000s aren’t.

The flu vaccine I have doesn’t give me 100% percent protection and I get side effect some years. This vaccine has to be changed every year to give some protection. Without it I could end up in an ICU. I will do what I can to ease the stress and pressures the NHS have had so I’ll continue to have the flu vaccine every year and an extra COVID vaccine if needed.