Double Jabber tested positive

Growstuff you are the only poster, apart from scammers, I have ever reported. It is not something I like doing, but regretfully I felt your remarks went way beyond anything acceptable.

As the study was reported in May, it must have been carried out mostly in lockdown, and certainly when masks were mandatory, and social distancing the norm.

Also it was before the much more transmissible Delta variant arrived in the UK. We now have far more cases in circulation so unfortunately the chances of succumbing to Covid after being double vaccinated will be higher than when this survey was carried out.

love0c, you say:

'The government along with the media have hyped up 'covid' to an alarming state, While in my opinion and indeed many scientists it has been grossly exaggerated.'

Why would they exaggerate? 129,743 deaths (so far) and countless lives ruined by long Covid - seems serious to me!

Alegrias1

^The probability of vaccinated people getting COVID is one in 500(0.2%) after the first jab and 1 in 3333 after the second jab( 0.03%) after the second, with the chances of becoming infected falling as time passed.^

That's not really true though, is it?

That is the incidence of covid infection in the sample group, which was 1.1 million self selected vaccinated people. It was also valid at the time of the investigation (May) and will depend on the prevalence of covid in the community. It is correct at the time of the research but should not be taken as an indicator of the actual chances of catching covid at any particular time.

I agree with you.

M0nica

I have reported Growstuff' s post.

I have a fairly robust attitude to criticism of other people's opinions, including my own, but the second para of this post, to my mind, goes beyond what is acceptable.

I not as sceptical of the risks of COVID as love0C, but I too find many people's fearful attitudes worrying. I do not now wear a mask as a matter of course. If asked to I will, whether by a shop or an individual or in crowded situations, but otherwise I won't.

I do my supermarket shopping early in the morning when there are few people in the store and do not wear my mask. Were I to go into the store later in the day when it was crowded I would wear a mask.

Have you reported the person who called people "miserable" more than once? In my opinion, goading people into doing something with which they feel uncomfortable is bullying.

Not questioning the robustness of the methodology, only the interpretation of it here.

There are only 1.1 million people in this part of the study, that's what the report says, not 4 million.

The report, quite rightly, never claims that this is the probability of an individual catching Covid. It is only the incidence in this group, under certain conditions.

That is not the same as predicting probability for the future.

Did the people in the project wear masks and take other precautions? Or did they rely solely on the vaccination to protect them?

The people were self selected long before vaccination as the project started last summer, or possible last spring.

There comes a time when a sample is so large, 4 million people world wide, where the fact that the sample is self selected becomes almost irrelevant.

None of the vaccinated people in the sample could know in advance whether they were likely to get COVID after vaccination or not, nor whether they would be hispilaised.

The report also says that there will be some variation within the overall %, that will depend on where you live and whether you have any other medical problems.

Overall this is about as robust a study as you can get, based on the sample size alone.

The probability of vaccinated people getting COVID is one in 500(0.2%) after the first jab and 1 in 3333 after the second jab( 0.03%) after the second, with the chances of becoming infected falling as time passed.

That's not really true though, is it?

That is the incidence of covid infection in the sample group, which was 1.1 million self selected vaccinated people. It was also valid at the time of the investigation (May) and will depend on the prevalence of covid in the community. It is correct at the time of the research but should not be taken as an indicator of the actual chances of catching covid at any particular time.

Thank you MOnica for the link very informative

M0nica, did you also report the person who thought I should be banned and called me sad?

This forum has gone bonkers.

Despite anecdotal stories on this thread the incidence of vaccinated people getting or having COVID is low.

According to the ZOE monitoring project, UK based, and with up to 4 million people world wide contributing daily reports covid.joinzoe.com/post/risk-covid-after-vaccine. The probability of vaccinated people getting COVID is one in 500(0.2%) after the first jab and 1 in 3333 after the second jab( 0.03%) after the second, with the chances of becoming infected falling as time passed.

Only 104 people ended up in hospital.

It is worth reading this report. the language is accessible and it is written for those who lack a scientific background, like me.

I have reported Growstuff' s post.

I have a fairly robust attitude to criticism of other people's opinions, including my own, but the second para of this post, to my mind, goes beyond what is acceptable.

I not as sceptical of the risks of COVID as love0C, but I too find many people's fearful attitudes worrying. I do not now wear a mask as a matter of course. If asked to I will, whether by a shop or an individual or in crowded situations, but otherwise I won't.

I do my supermarket shopping early in the morning when there are few people in the store and do not wear my mask. Were I to go into the store later in the day when it was crowded I would wear a mask.

Growstuff ?????????

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Oh bugger

JaneJudge

nezumi65, is there any push around getting him vaccinated? They had a specialist LD team here who did a clinic and home visits (postcode lottery again?)

He's had a home visit, but couldn't get it in him. Now it's more complicated because he is too young for AZ and the community won't use Pfizer. TBH I don't think we have any chance at the moment. Couldn't even get him to sit down at the dentist last week - he's gone backwards in terms of tolerating medical intervention.

You seem nice

I read the other day Alegrias1 that a poster said they were surprised you had not been banned. I wonder that as well. Clearly you like who you see in the mirror. Sad.

While in my opinion and indeed many scientists it has been grossly exaggerated.

I said I'd do this, so I will.

Piers Corbyn is an astrophysicist. Being a scientist doesn't always make you right. ?

CleoPanda So judgemental and quite wrong. I have followed the rules. I just refused to be frightened or worried! Unfortunately that is what is wrong with this country. So many people just like you. You be a misery, just dont not expect everyone else to be!!

@ love0c
Glad I don’t know you or live anywhere near you, hopefully. You’d definitely be off my Christmas card list, permanently.

nezumi65, is there any push around getting him vaccinated? They had a specialist LD team here who did a clinic and home visits (postcode lottery again?)

Lots of people are getting it after being double jabbed. A member of my son’s care team has it at the moment which is a concern as we have not been able to vaccinate him.

We have to remember that a vaccine protects, the vast majority of parents had their children vaccinated to protect them against measles and so on. The Covid vaccine is no different.