Should double jabbed also show negative tests

As I mentioned yesterday, I saw a doctor telling us that 90% of hospital admissions are unvaccinated people. I know some people are getting Covid who have been fully vaccinated but I believe the percentage is quite small, and most are not ill enough to require hospital treatment.
I have to do a lateral flow test before I can visit my elderly mother in hospital. It does concern me that these tests are not overly reliable. I saw a news item last week where it was claimed that a new quick response test is being developed that will be a lot more accurate. I hope that is correct.

welbeck that was a very sad article. If I'm honest I find it hard to sympathise with those who have been warned over and over again for more than 6 months that they need to be vaccinated, and had it explained to them over and over, and still refuse to do it, but I truly sympathise with those over-worked medics who have to deal with the end result.

It reminds me a bit of all the people who rebelled against the seat belt law in the name of 'freedom', who never considered for one minute those who had to scrape them up off the road when they went through the windscreen.

no you have to wait 30 mins for an LFT. I agree they are open to abuse though. Some kids were putting lemon on them weren't they too, to get a positive result so they could stay off school!

PCR tests have to be sent off. Our were sent to Scotland

Oh, or was it the PCR test? Maybe that's different.

Witzend

How do you prove you’ve taken a test? A pic of the result on your phone I suppose - easy enough for the majority.

I started a stinking cold recently, a lot of sneezing and runny nose, so having read that these may be symptoms in the double jabbed, I did a test at home. Came up clearly negative within a very few minutes, so ?it was correct.

Problem with making LFT tests mandatory is that you can cheat on them. Without even doing a test. You don't even have to show a photo of the test result. That would be obvious to anyone who has done the test, in Scotland at least. Maybe different in the rest of the UK?

And if you are an avowed anti-vaxxer who needs an LFT test to get into an event, you're hardly going to do something that the Government tells you to, are you?

BTW - it takes 30 minutes for the test to be valid, I hope you checked it again after the stipulated 30 minutes.

Gagjo, I know. He had covid end of June and the LFT was negative, PCR positive.

JaneJudge

One of my sons (double vaccinated) has gone to a football match today and everyone has to show a negative LFT result in the last 24 hours to gain entry

Problem with LFT tho is they're often wrong. In an outbreak at my boarding school, 5 out of 12 positive students tested negative on LFTs.

Yes we should. I'm happy to test. It's common sense.

Thanks Atqui. He’s invited us all to a big family celebration in Ireland but is worried about passing anything on.

Mollygo I heard that the PCR stest shows positive for up to 90 days but don’t know about rapid flow test .

My nephew has had Covid. He was double jabbed. He has recovered and now has no symptoms but 4 weeks later, is still testing positive. How long might this go on?

Witzend, you have to log it on the NHS website and it send you an email/text

How do you prove you’ve taken a test? A pic of the result on your phone I suppose - easy enough for the majority.

I started a stinking cold recently, a lot of sneezing and runny nose, so having read that these may be symptoms in the double jabbed, I did a test at home. Came up clearly negative within a very few minutes, so ?it was correct.

Hopefully Jane

Obviously this is open to abuse but hopefully it sends a message of collective responsibility at large events

One of my sons (double vaccinated) has gone to a football match today and everyone has to show a negative LFT result in the last 24 hours to gain entry

M0nica

Viral load is irrelevant, it is how many people have the infection. Being vaccinated reduces your chance of having the disease so, whether you have the same viral load or not, the number of people with the disease is far fewer if you have been vaccinated.

I said nothing about whether people should have a test or not. I was just looking at the statistics and querying them.

My thoughts exactly. The viral load is only carried by people who have caught the infection. Studies have shown that you are a massively less likely to become infected if you have the vaccination, so clearly the viral load is irrelevant in those who are both vaccinated and infection free.
Yesterday I saw that 90% of those in hospital with Covid are not vaccinated.

Viral load is irrelevant, it is how many people have the infection. Being vaccinated reduces your chance of having the disease so, whether you have the same viral load or not, the number of people with the disease is far fewer if you have been vaccinated.

I said nothing about whether people should have a test or not. I was just looking at the statistics and querying them.

The latest info says ( and I’m sorry I have no link)!That a double jabbed person with Covid has same viral load as unvaccinated so just as likely to pass it on. The recent Boardmasters festival in Cornwall only required tests OR proof of vaccination, and now it is said that many people have returned home with Covid. Surely it’s not too much to ask that everyone shows negative test at
events like this. If not how are we ever going to stop case numbers rising? By the way I have been vaccinated myself and if foolish enough to attend a gathering of 50,000 people, I would not object to showing neg test.

50-60% less risk still leaves at least 40% chance of infection doesn’t it? So in that case everyone’s should show neg test to enter large gatherings etc whether vaccinated or not

Atqui The figures from this source contradict what you have posted.
www.gov.uk/government/news/react-study-shows-fully-vaccinated-are-three-times-less-likely-to-be-infected

Quote from above link:
double vaccinated people in the most recent round were estimated to have around 50 to 60% reduced risk of infection, including asymptomatic infection, compared to unvaccinated people;

those who were fully vaccinated may be less likely to pass on the virus to others than those who have not received a vaccine;

Data from Public Health England (PHE) shows our vaccines are highly effective against all variants of COVID-19. The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is 96% effective and the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is 92% effective against hospitalisation after both doses. PHE estimates that the vaccination programme in England has prevented 22 million infections, around 52,600 hospitalisations and between 35,200 and 60,000 deaths.

JaneJudge, I agree with you. I’m double jabbed but also have to do a lateral flow test before I visit my mum in her care home. It’s not a problem to me.

IMO it depends where you're going. If you're going somewhere where people are clinically vulnerable than yes, but otherwise no.

JaneJudge same visiting in our local hospitals.

I am double jabbed and have to have a negative test before I go into my daughter's supported living home, as do all her staff! It honestly doesn't bother me at all and shouldn't bother other people. Some have tested positive btw despite being double jabbed