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Should double jabbed also show negative tests

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Atqui Wed 18-Aug-21 23:05:04

Unvaccinated people have to show negative flow test to attend some events , while double jabbed do not . In view of jab x2 folk being infected , shouldnt they also show neg flow tests !

Ro60 Wed 18-Aug-21 23:15:48

Yes if have thought so!

NotSpaghetti Thu 19-Aug-21 00:18:54

Yes. I think so but I don't think it will happen.

Oopsadaisy1 Thu 19-Aug-21 08:43:33

And they wonder why the numbers are going up.
Everyone attending mass events should be negative IMO.
My GD has Covid symptoms and had a PCR test yesterday, she should isolate until she is either negative or tests positive and then has to isolate, (test result in 72 hours) but the other family members can carry on as normal if they are double vaccinated.
Seems crazy to me, but I guess it’s how it’s going to be from now on.

Atqui Thu 19-Aug-21 17:04:41

I suppose the government is using it as a carrot to get the refuseniks to get vaccinated. However, I read in the Times today that 55% of double jabbed people have had Covid symptoms, somit seems ridiculous. Instead of encouraging anti Vaxers to get the jab , it’s making them angry .

maddyone Fri 20-Aug-21 12:11:33

I’ve not heard that figure Atqui. What does it mean? That they’ve had a cold or cough? If so, they should get a test, but I’m unsure what the figure means, and how we know this. In my opinion, showing a lateral flow test negative alongside double vaccination would be good. Unvaccinated should show a negative PCR test, although I’d prefer they were not allowed entry.

Chestnut Fri 20-Aug-21 12:17:34

Being double jabbed does not seem to stop people getting the Delta variant, it just means they are not as ill as the unvaccinated people.

maddyone Fri 20-Aug-21 12:21:08

But they are far less likely to get the Delta variant or any other variant than those who are unvaccinated. Depending on the vaccine there is about 50% - 75% efficacy in the vaccinated. The efficacy in the unvaccinated is 0%.

maddyone Fri 20-Aug-21 12:29:00

That efficacy is about six months after the second vaccination apparently.

JaneJudge Fri 20-Aug-21 12:33:37

I am double jabbed and have to have a negative test before I go into my daughter's supported living home, as do all her staff! It honestly doesn't bother me at all and shouldn't bother other people. Some have tested positive btw despite being double jabbed

Jaxjacky Fri 20-Aug-21 12:57:38

JaneJudge same visiting in our local hospitals.

Smileless2012 Fri 20-Aug-21 13:04:55

IMO it depends where you're going. If you're going somewhere where people are clinically vulnerable than yes, but otherwise no.

maddyone Fri 20-Aug-21 13:17:21

JaneJudge, I agree with you. I’m double jabbed but also have to do a lateral flow test before I visit my mum in her care home. It’s not a problem to me.

M0nica Fri 20-Aug-21 21:39:24

Atqui The figures from this source contradict what you have posted.
www.gov.uk/government/news/react-study-shows-fully-vaccinated-are-three-times-less-likely-to-be-infected

Quote from above link:
double vaccinated people in the most recent round were estimated to have around 50 to 60% reduced risk of infection, including asymptomatic infection, compared to unvaccinated people;

those who were fully vaccinated may be less likely to pass on the virus to others than those who have not received a vaccine;

Data from Public Health England (PHE) shows our vaccines are highly effective against all variants of COVID-19. The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is 96% effective and the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is 92% effective against hospitalisation after both doses. PHE estimates that the vaccination programme in England has prevented 22 million infections, around 52,600 hospitalisations and between 35,200 and 60,000 deaths.

Atqui Fri 20-Aug-21 22:10:50

50-60% less risk still leaves at least 40% chance of infection doesn’t it? So in that case everyone’s should show neg test to enter large gatherings etc whether vaccinated or not

Atqui Fri 20-Aug-21 22:35:40

The latest info says ( and I’m sorry I have no link)!That a double jabbed person with Covid has same viral load as unvaccinated so just as likely to pass it on. The recent Boardmasters festival in Cornwall only required tests OR proof of vaccination, and now it is said that many people have returned home with Covid. Surely it’s not too much to ask that everyone shows negative test at
events like this. If not how are we ever going to stop case numbers rising? By the way I have been vaccinated myself and if foolish enough to attend a gathering of 50,000 people, I would not object to showing neg test.

M0nica Sat 21-Aug-21 07:28:57

Viral load is irrelevant, it is how many people have the infection. Being vaccinated reduces your chance of having the disease so, whether you have the same viral load or not, the number of people with the disease is far fewer if you have been vaccinated.

I said nothing about whether people should have a test or not. I was just looking at the statistics and querying them.

maddyone Sat 21-Aug-21 10:07:26

M0nica

Viral load is irrelevant, it is how many people have the infection. Being vaccinated reduces your chance of having the disease so, whether you have the same viral load or not, the number of people with the disease is far fewer if you have been vaccinated.

I said nothing about whether people should have a test or not. I was just looking at the statistics and querying them.

My thoughts exactly. The viral load is only carried by people who have caught the infection. Studies have shown that you are a massively less likely to become infected if you have the vaccination, so clearly the viral load is irrelevant in those who are both vaccinated and infection free.
Yesterday I saw that 90% of those in hospital with Covid are not vaccinated.

JaneJudge Sat 21-Aug-21 10:52:19

One of my sons (double vaccinated) has gone to a football match today and everyone has to show a negative LFT result in the last 24 hours to gain entry

JaneJudge Sat 21-Aug-21 10:53:13

Obviously this is open to abuse but hopefully it sends a message of collective responsibility at large events

Atqui Sat 21-Aug-21 11:09:26

Hopefully Jane

Witzend Sat 21-Aug-21 11:19:41

How do you prove you’ve taken a test? A pic of the result on your phone I suppose - easy enough for the majority.

I started a stinking cold recently, a lot of sneezing and runny nose, so having read that these may be symptoms in the double jabbed, I did a test at home. Came up clearly negative within a very few minutes, so 🤞it was correct.

JaneJudge Sat 21-Aug-21 11:23:27

Witzend, you have to log it on the NHS website and it send you an email/text

Mollygo Sat 21-Aug-21 11:32:32

My nephew has had Covid. He was double jabbed. He has recovered and now has no symptoms but 4 weeks later, is still testing positive. How long might this go on?

Atqui Sat 21-Aug-21 11:49:19

Mollygo I heard that the PCR stest shows positive for up to 90 days but don’t know about rapid flow test .