Your idea of stable??

Josianne

^I think both of them see being vaccinated as one less thing to worry about.^
Well I'm guessing that shows more maturity than most 20+s.

I wouldn't like to generalise. Most of the 20 year olds I know are as mature as they are.

I think both of them see being vaccinated as one less thing to worry about.
Well I'm guessing that shows more maturity than most 20+s.

rosie1959

We have areas in our nearest city where vacinne take up is very low 50% some a little more some a little less But these are whole areas not just younger people

That would suggest there's something cultural going on, not related to age.

Josianne

There's nothing factual in my thinking here, but maybe older adults take up the vaccine because they want life to get back to how it was before. Life was ticking by comfortably, they had established themselves, so why not want that life to continue? (A kind of nostalgia, over a very short period). Maybe younger people are in a state of constant flux and change in their careers or turmoil in their personal lives, so another disruption in the form of covid is just seen as a hiccup and no need to take action. At 20+ I am sure I forgot the bads from one month to the next.

I'm not so sure, although I don't have an alternative theory. Both my children are in their twenties and have been double vaccinated. Neither has what one could call a secure life, although in different ways. I think both of them see being vaccinated as one less thing to worry about.

rosie1959

As far as I know Growstuff all over 18s have been offered the vacination there is just a lower take up in younger age groups ie they didn't want it

I'm talking about 12-16 year olds who haven't been offered a jab yet. We're talking about different age groups.

There's nothing factual in my thinking here, but maybe older adults take up the vaccine because they want life to get back to how it was before. Life was ticking by comfortably, they had established themselves, so why not want that life to continue? (A kind of nostalgia, over a very short period). Maybe younger people are in a state of constant flux and change in their careers or turmoil in their personal lives, so another disruption in the form of covid is just seen as a hiccup and no need to take action. At 20+ I am sure I forgot the bads from one month to the next.

We have areas in our nearest city where vacinne take up is very low 50% some a little more some a little less But these are whole areas not just younger people

So, if the school kids can be persuaded on grounds of their education we need to get inside the heads of the young 20 year olds to see why they aren't keen. I am pleased the advice for pregnant women, and women planning to conceive, changed, but that is mainly 28+ plus year olds. The ones in the middle are out of step.

As far as I know Growstuff all over 18s have been offered the vacination there is just a lower take up in younger age groups ie they didn't want it

Oops! Wrong graph. This is the correct one.

PS. The above is for England only.

This shows the percentage of people eligible who had been vaccinated by 16 October.

Many in the youngest age groups haven't been offered vaccination yet. It's more puzzling why so many in their twenties haven't been vaccinated.

I'm in contact with quite a few 11-16 year olds. Those already in Year 11 can't wait for the day they turn 16 because they can book through the national system. The younger ones have to wait until they can be vaccinated in school, unless they're CEV. None of the local state schools have started to vaccinate yet, although at least one private school has. Anecdotally, schoolchildren are impatient to be vaccinated. They're the ones who can see first hand how many pupils and staff are being infected and are having to take time off. They know that schooling and exams have been disrupted for older year groups and they don't want that for themselves.

And what is the % uptake of these school kids themselves? By leaving the vaccination so late in the day in this group, did that have any effect on the "I'm invincible, don't need it, probably already caught covid" generation? Especially as it's the kids themselves making the choice.

Can anyone tell me why this government didn’t insist on vaccinating secondary school age children in the summer holidays? As they did in France and Italy? (Apart from them being a bunch of muppets who didn’t want to annoy their anti vax wing? ) Every secondary school I know of has half the school off sick. The government have given up any pretence of insisting on public health measures to bring these figures down.

In today’s paper, it says that almost half of new cases of people testing posting positive for Covid are in ages 12 to 16, ie Secondary ages children.

Urmstongran

Quite scary here in Trafford. Worst borough in Greater Manchester out of the 10.

Cases Up 17% a few days ago.
Bolton is at the bottom - cases up by 1%

That’s interesting as Bolton were a hotspot area not too long ago. My daughter, age 35, got her vaccination earlier than her age group because she works in Bolton.

I also live in Greater Manchester, in Bramhall, Stockport, so we’re affected when extra measures were imposed last year.

Urmstongran

No, I know your not Alegrias.
No prob.
It’s just worrying us living here in Trafford!

No, I know your not Alegrias.
No prob.
It’s just worrying us living here in Trafford!

GS1 tested positive on Thursday. His two closest friends had tested positive earlier in the week. All the rest of us have tested negative so SiL is still at work teaching, both younger boys are still going to school and DS is going to work. DD is not going to work because all the other research scientists she works with don't want to share a room with someone who has been in contact with Covid!

Well, given that the government no longer bother to give us up to date briefings about what is happening we have to attempt to work it out for ourselves.

Infection rates are no longer higher in Scotland, Scotland has the lowest rate per 100,000 in the four nations. It was the highest, now its not.

The high rate in August was driven by people aged 15-19 and 20-24. Not school age people who had not had the option to be vaccinated.

Urmstongran please don't think I'm minimising the situation in schools, I'm not doing that at all. I can't imagine how difficult it is for people who have to work there.

What I object to is strident amateur evaluations of what's happening and what the causes are, that cannot be questioned without triggering sarcasm and denial in the responses.

Alegrias1

*It should be bl**ding obvious that the European countries with similar climate/lifestyles/population density to the UK still make mask wearing compulsory and have lower case rates.*

Scotland?

Masks compulsory. Highest vaccination rate of any of the home nations; higher than Italy, France... Vaccine passports from next week. Good communications from the FM.

3 or 4 times the case rates of Spain, Germany, France and Italy. Its not as bl**ding obvious as some might think.

Scottish children went back to school @2-3 weeks before English children. Might that be the reason why infection rates are higher in Scotland? And unlike those European countries they weren’t vaccinated.

Our daughter teaches here in Trafford Alegrias. Mask wearing by staff again when walking through communal areas. Staff not to share the staff room at lunch. Kitchen ie toaster, microwave, kettle on a rota system again. She is quite anxious about it all. Double jabbed now but had Covid last September (pre vaccine roll out) followed by long Covid until Christmas, she said she had never been so poorly in her life and absolutely dreads catching it again. She puts on a brave face but is quite scared at these latest figures. Trafford has 746 cases now per 100,000 according to the Manchester Evening News.

Alegrias1

No no no "MaizieD", it's obviously schools. Why would you even question that? Obvious, obvious.

Open the windows.