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Your idea of stable??

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Daisymae Fri 15-Oct-21 17:52:08

Javid said this week that the infection rates are stable, bit up, bit down. In fact it seems that management means just ignore it and it will go away. Why are the public so accepting? It's pretty much a scandal, hundreds of people dying each week and yet it's pretty much ignored. This article highlights some pretty horrendous facts
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last

lemongrove Fri 15-Oct-21 18:02:31

Hardly ignored, it’s constantly in the news ( numbers of deaths
With Covid present/ hospitalisations / new cases.)
What would you like people to do? Life has to carry on, albeit with some care still.
In the main, the people who die are old and have health conditions and some unvaccinated.

Daisymae Fri 15-Oct-21 18:56:29

I think that I would like more measures taken to curb infection. Schools, shops, any public places where infection is likely to occur. It's not rocket science, there must be a reason why, as a county, we are doing so poorly.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 15-Oct-21 19:01:23

The number of new cases may be similar each day but at those levels calling it ‘stable’ is putting some spin on it, ditto the number of deaths.

M0nica Fri 15-Oct-21 19:11:12

lemongrove The majority of those in hospital and dying are mainly the unvaccinated, some have other conditions but I think I read that there are very few older people as they have nearly all been vaccinated and, although it is never said. I think, that all those elderly people most at risk died of COVID before vaccination came in.

FarNorth Fri 15-Oct-21 19:12:55

Ventilation is needed in buildings and public transport.
Too bad if it's cold - that's better than cosily sharing infection around.

Daisymae Fri 15-Oct-21 19:17:58

I fail to understand why every action is not being taken to minimise the infection rates. There's lots that could be done and virtually nothing is happening.

Alegrias1 Fri 15-Oct-21 19:31:05

M0nica

lemongrove The majority of those in hospital and dying are mainly the unvaccinated, some have other conditions but I think I read that there are very few older people as they have nearly all been vaccinated and, although it is never said. I think, that all those elderly people most at risk died of COVID before vaccination came in.

Comforting, but wrong. Especially the last sentence.

Scottish data only, but I expect the English proportions are comparable. Please read it, it is still good news but people need to understand what the situation is.

www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/vaccine

M0nica Fri 15-Oct-21 21:16:05

Alegrias www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-58890309 Interview with a hospital consultant in Wales saying the majority of those in hospital and those dying are not vaccinated

This link, if you scroll right down, shows that the age group with the lowest number of infections is the 59 years plus, although they are proportionately more likely to be admitted to hospital and to die than other groups. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/article/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/deaths

My last sentence was pure conjecture.

imacmum Fri 15-Oct-21 21:22:45

Other countries are not testing like we are in England. Discovered this whilst in Spain on holiday recently, none of our Spanish or Norwegian friends there had ever even had a test whilst we are still doing 2 a week. However they all wear masks inside and in the street and they say there are no cases. Possibly because nobody is being tested We need to bring mask wearing back as majority seem to have given up wearing them

Alegrias1 Fri 15-Oct-21 21:25:01

Must be different in Scotland then.

ONS link doesn't work for me.

Scones Fri 15-Oct-21 21:39:38

It seems from the polls that the public aren't just accepting of the government's handling of the virus but actually positive about it. Polls show the Conservative's popularity going up alongside the death toll.

MayBee70 Fri 15-Oct-21 22:00:25

I read the article earlier this evening. Yes, I am totally bemused by the attitude to covid in this country. It does just seem like mass brainwashing to me. But what do I know sad

Mollygo Fri 15-Oct-21 22:03:07

Noticeably fewer masks here too. Some shops still insisting on masks, others relying on people’s good sense, so very few wearing masks at all.
Our friends who visited from France recently said they had never had a test until they decided to come here.

Lucca Fri 15-Oct-21 22:08:15

Ridiculous to have ditched mask wearing. Such a small thing to do

MayBee70 Fri 15-Oct-21 22:38:06

DD messaged me tonight to say she’d nipped into the Coop and no one was wearing a mask. I’ve got to go to Max Spielmans next week to get my passport photo done. It’ll be the first time in eighteen months that I’ll be in a shop without wearing a mask, albeit only for a few minutes, and I’d be much happier if other people in the shop were wearing masks.

GagaJo Sat 16-Oct-21 00:08:04

I was in a shop yesterday. The man in the queue in front of me clearly took exception to my FFP3 mask. He had a LOUD conversation with the cashier about the same old anti mask tosh (breathing in my bad air crap) BUT they both also referred to the pandemic in the past tense.

I briefly considered responding to him as he left, like for like, but decided to pretend I hadn't heard a word, because I think he was looking for a reaction.

(ONE of the things that really annoyed me was his diatribe about going for a hospital appointment and INSISTING on not wearing mask. F***ing idiot.)

Teacheranne Sat 16-Oct-21 00:23:24

imacmum

Other countries are not testing like we are in England. Discovered this whilst in Spain on holiday recently, none of our Spanish or Norwegian friends there had ever even had a test whilst we are still doing 2 a week. However they all wear masks inside and in the street and they say there are no cases. Possibly because nobody is being tested We need to bring mask wearing back as majority seem to have given up wearing them

I agree that some other countries are not testing as much as us but I think our daily death rates are much higher than in other European countries - that’s nothing to do with more testing.

I also struggle to understand why people seem to accept these death rates as “ living with Covid”. Maybe there ought to be more precautionary measures against the spread of Covid like in countries with lower death rates.

Dorsetcupcake61 Sat 16-Oct-21 06:36:18

I am amazed at the complacency when we appear to be in such a poor situation compared to other countries. For a short while after "freedom" day people seemed still to be wearing masks. Now it's an odd mix of seeing people wearing masks outdoors or none at all. Both my daughter and I have noticed-and its just an observation, but the majority of people who do wear masks are young people.
Certainly the vaccine offers protection but the fact we have to continue to be cautious has not been emphasized.
I'm sure I will be shot down in flames for this but we have a government who cares little for the vulnerable. Society is just been left to it's own devices. Those who are least able to protect themselves whether due to health or occupation are on their own.
What appears to be a total lack of concern by the rest of society baffles me.
I think the Government is still riding high on the vaccine success of January. Since then we have slipped backwards but no one seems to be at all concerned. There are articles that the booster jabs for extremely CV are not effectively being rolled out.
My booster is due in a few weeks. I have everything crossed it will go ahead.
I think the winter will be harsher than it need have been. What it will take for people to open their eyes I really dont know.

nanna8 Sat 16-Oct-21 06:59:21

The alternative is to live like we do in Victoria and after nearly 300 days of isolation it has become a living hell. Hasn’t done much, either because it is still spreading.

M0nica Sat 16-Oct-21 07:33:59

COVID has become and will remain an endemic disease, like flu. We need to get back to normal. This means getting vaccinated and then living without fear.

Yes, some will get COVID and a few will die, but that applies to almost any infection you can get. DH came close to death last Christmas when he picked up an antibiotic resistant infection when he was in hospital for another reason, my father died as the result of a similar infection.

We will be paying for the economic disruption caused by the pandemic for many decades, probably as long as it took us to pay off all the debt we accrued during WW2, (60 plus years).

Much of what some people see as lack of concern in others is the opposite, it is the conscious decision of other people, once they were vaccinated, to assess the risk and decide life had to go back to normal. In every age group, it is the unvaccinated occupying the hospital beds, and, sadly, a few are dying.

Three weeks ago my DS's family went down with COVID. The children tested positive but were asymptotic. My DDil , who is vaccinated, but has an auto-immune disease, was mainly bed bound for a week, but a week after that was entirely recovered and rushing rund as normal.

This is not a lot different to what is happening with a whole lot of other diseases we are inoculated against. Both my children had all their jabs at children.Both later caught whooping cough and one had measles, despite the innoculation, but the diseases were mild. For whooping cough they both had a slight cough for a few weeks and measles lasted less than a week.

We cannot live our lives in fear for ever. We need each to make our own risk assessments, based on our own risks and who we are. Some people are more anxious, or have reason to be more anxious than others, but look at the number of obese people in the country who know the risks of type 2 diabetes - and probably have it - , heart attacks and strokes, and have a worse prognosis if they do get COVID, yet do nothing to remedy their condition.

Esspee Sat 16-Oct-21 07:34:34

I am so happy I live in Scotland where mask wearing in public enclosed spaces is still the rule. Yes, some people ignore it but it is a tiny percentage.
Cop26 will be interesting as delegates will have to comply with Scottish laws……..or will they?

Hetty58 Sat 16-Oct-21 07:46:12

nanna8, there has to be a sensible middle road between isolation - and our peculiar 'it's all over' behaviour. Mask wearing and social distancing should still be encouraged, wherever possible.

Dorsetcupcake61, the 'government who cares little for the vulnerable' is spot on. In fact, I'd take it further. Someone, somewhere, is gleefully calculating the 'savings' in pension and disability payments.

It all comes down to money, after all. Installing good ventilation systems in schools, discouraging socialising, travel and Christmas get togethers - never - what about the economy?

Esspee Sat 16-Oct-21 07:56:22

Alegrias1. Thank you for that “travellingtabby” link. It should be read by everyone.

Alegrias1 Sat 16-Oct-21 08:18:35

Thanks Esspee.