Your idea of stable??

blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/25/significant-proportions-of-people-admitted-to-hospital-or-dying-from-covid-19-in-england-are-vaccinated-this-doesnt-mean-the-vaccines-dont-work/

The BMA calls the government 'wilfully negligent' - and I'm not in the least surprised. In fact, it strikes me as consistent, par for the course, true to their agenda. How sad is that?

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-winter-plan-bma-b1942368.html

I get the overall picture growstuff especially concerning the young people and schools issue. What I struggle with is knowing how many double vaccinated people are ending up in hospital, how many were within the six months period, how many were sick any way etc? Are there figures for all this too so we can put things into perspective and make it clearer?

How much urging and expert advice do they need? Mask wearing in public places is simple and easy to do. I don’t understand why that simple measure wasn’t put in place yesterday. The number of people in shops without masks is truly astounding, even when the shop has a request for customers to wear a mask because the shop is small. People simply ignore it.

So many high profile doctors are urging action by the Government now, it’s obvious that they believe that hospital admissions and deaths are going to rise exponentially again very soon.

What do you mean Josianne?

I thought the picture was reasonably clear. Nearly half of the new cases are in those 19 and under. It can't be a coincidence that schools are now fully open and there are almost no mitigations. Anecdotally, the cases I know about have all originated with an infected child and spread around families.

Immunity is waning, so even those who have been doubly vaccinated are being infected. Most of them have only had mild symptoms, but some have been more severely affected for a variety of reasons. Most of the deaths are still in the elderly because they are most vulnerable.

As has already been pointed out, most of those hospitalised have been vaccinated (because the majority of those most vulnerable have been vaccinated), but on an individual level hospitalisations and deaths are more likely in the unvaccinated.

There isn't much people can do if they can't be vaccinated or the vaccine hasn't produced an immune response, apart from being especially careful. However, people can still choose to be vaccinated. Most people (apart from children) can help themselves to avoid places and people who are more likely to infect them.

There's so many variables now in terms of who is catching it and who is getting sick. I don't think we can see the wood for the trees anymore.

It seems to me Urmstongran is that the government are completely ignoring what is happening. Yesterday Morocco announced there will no further direct flights between Morocco and the UK. How much longer before others say the same?

This is getting too much. What the heck is going on?

Sometimes it’s fascinating to watch things unfold over a period of time and have a point of reference like this thread. Seems to me that Javid is attempting to get us used to an idea that @ 100,000 cases a day is acceptable

Isn't it odd, this topic was started a few days ago as Javid said we were stable, nothing to see here. Now here we are and it's almost as if we're in a different reality where we all need to go to action stations. Confused? You will be.

Oops! Typo alert. Cases should be nearer 13%

Approx. numbers from Worldometer:-

UK Population: 67,000,000 (100%)
Cases: 8,600,000 (10% of pop)
Deaths: 139,000 (0.2% pop)

Juicywords

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/masks-do-reduce-wearers-chances-of-catching-covid-svlcjnxk0
Wearing a facemask does protect the wearer.

It’s puzzling why Wales and Scotland covid numbers are high. Perhaps people are ignoring the rules? We see it all the time on TFL where only approx 20% are bothering to wear a mask despite Sadiq Khan’s rules. Unfortunately he can’t make it legal because of BJ’s “ Freedom Day”.

No!
Rules are stricter in Wales.

Cases are very high because a lot of Welsh and SW England PCR tests went to that laboratory which sent out wrong results!!

People, including school pupils, then carried on going to work and school.

SW England has the highest increase of cases in the country. Cases in Wales have gone up too.

It is not due to people ignoring the rules- it is due to the Government awarding a contract to a useless laboratory, set up without accreditation and controls.
Who staffed this laboratory? Where did they suddenly find scientists to work there? Were they even scientists? Had they got a clue?

These cases discovered may not be the only ones.

Bangs head against wall in frustration.

The incidence of covid in our area has more that doubled in the last week.

MerylStreep

Obviously some devotees of the Labour Party missed / chose not to see the lack of masks at the Labour Party conference.

No. That hasn’t gone unnoticed. I, personally didn’t feel that the conferences shouldn’t have gone ahead during a pandemic. However, the question put to the Health Minister today was regarding mask wearing in parliament and that is what I was referring to. So what is your opinion about the fact that the Conservatives do not, in general, wear masks in parliament but the opposition benches, in general, wear them? And can you give a reason for that other than the government wanting the general public to think the pandemic no longer exists.

MerylStreep do you think two wrongs make a right? It was irresponsible of both Labour and Tory parties for members not to wear masks at party conference because they should be setting an example, but that is not the issue is it?

MerylStreep

Obviously some devotees of the Labour Party missed / chose not to see the lack of masks at the Labour Party conference.

Anyone who ever watches PM 's question time must see that most Tory MPs do not wear masks but almost a;ll of the the more responsible opposition MPs do.

It's been known since the start of the pandemic that masks have a role to play in reducing transmission. It's just one of the many things that could be done to reduce the number of infections. It's really staggering that we are starting winter with almost 50000 daily infections with a government that would like us all to think that's it under control when it quite plainly is not. I know that we are testing more but our excess death rates are not good either. Last time I looked we were sitting between Egypt and Georgia.

covid.joinzoe.com/post/why-still-wear-masks-covid
More evidence for face masks. Study shows that wearing one both reduces your risk of catching Covid or passing it on to others.

Obviously some devotees of the Labour Party missed / chose not to see the lack of masks at the Labour Party conference.

Am just watching on the ITV news how Portugal has vaccinated 85% of the population 12 years and over, way ahead of the UK. Infection rates are 10 times lower than ours. Yet the PM is still banging on about our world beating vaccine rollout. We may have been quick of the mark but are now lagging behind other countries. What happened?

varian

In France you cannot board a train without wearing a mask AND having proof of double jabs or recent negative test.

I would be delighted if this was the case in the whole of the UK.

It is hard to imagine how the UK could ever have had a more corrupt, incompentent government at a time when we needed competence and incorruptibility.

This is absolutely disgraceful and so worrying, Johnson just never learns he is always doing things to late, lockdown, masks, testing etc. and he is still doing it. It’s all very well saying people should take responsibility but we know people don’t so I am afraid it is up to our incompetent leader to make a decision which he seems incapable of. Doing.