Your idea of stable??

Alegrias1

Oh FGS growstuff. There's a page for Scotland and a page for UK. Then UK page includes international figures too and the data is split out for the 4 home nations.

I'm not a complete data innocent, you know.

Neither am I!

PS. Annie1 What about the delay in offering schoolchildren the vaccine?

Annie1 Case rates in Greater London are currently on average the lowest in the UK.

This is the age distribution of English cases reported to PHE on 16 October:

0-9: 11.76% (4574)
10-19: 32.33% (12575)
20-29: 6.40% (2491)
30-39: 10.98% (4271)
40-49: 16.00% (6225)
50-59: 11.08% (4310)
60-69: 6.34% (2468)
70-79: 3.61% (1404)
80-89: 1.15% (446)
90+: 0.34% (134)

A couple of points:

I don't have the data for Scotland, Wales or NI.

Those are the groups PHE uses to report. Any stat with, for example under 16s, comes from some other dataset or is an estimate (I suspect the latter).

Each cohort is a different size. There are obviously more 10-19 year olds than there over 90s. I don't know how many are in each group.

On 16 October, 45% (approx) of all reported cases were in under 19 year olds. Most - but not all - were of secondary school age. I have seen a further breakdown to differentiate between over/under 16 year olds. The rate in under 16 year olds, who haven't had a chance to be vaccinated, is higher than over 16 year olds, but I don't know how that was calculated.

PS. It's curious that the case rate in 20-29 year olds is relatively low compared with other groups because they also have a low(ish) rate of vaccination. I don't have any explanation, apart from wondering if they've already been infected and have some immunity.

It's all the governments fault again!!! Well no it is NOT. It is the fault of the people who refuse to get vaccinated. In the Caribbean the majority of the indigenous population simply refuse to have the jab. St Lucia is second to bottom of the list . St Vincent and the Grenadines are the worst. I have spoken to a few Caribbean people here in London and they all told me of family members who, for religious reasons or because of slaves being given injections ( I know nothing about that) they are mistrustful of such medicines. Our housekeeper refuses and so do her adult children. She says she has a healthy body and eats well and looks after herself and does not need it. She works all day masked at the house and is not giving in. Doctors are tearing their hair out and in London we have a lot of ethnic minorities who refuse too. Some people have the mistaken opinion that they will live forever. I do not want to live in a country where jabs are compulsory but I obey the rules about masks in public and on public transport and the government has to get the economy on its feet again. It is up to us to protect ourselves. You can only do so much to persuade people. I must say I was astonished to read that people working in hospitals and care homes still have not been vaccinated! It is simply ignorance. You cannot legislate against stupidity!

Incidentally, case numbers are underreported. That's because people who have Covid more than once aren't included, nor are those who are asymptomatic (usually because they don't know they're infected) and those who only have mild symptoms, recover quickly and don't bother reporting.

MadeInYorkshire

MayBee70

DD messaged me tonight to say she’d nipped into the Coop and no one was wearing a mask. I’ve got to go to Max Spielmans next week to get my passport photo done. It’ll be the first time in eighteen months that I’ll be in a shop without wearing a mask, albeit only for a few minutes, and I’d be much happier if other people in the shop were wearing masks.

Just wear one until you need to take it off for the photos…..

It went really well. Got there first thing. The shop doors were completely open and I was in and out very quickly. Not only that but got lots of advice about renewing my passport and driving licence.

Teacheranne

Alegrias1

I really take exception to the " finding contradicting graphs" comment Teacheranne. Especially as the BBC and Guardian articles I found said that half of cases were under 19 - not the same at all as half of cases being aged 12 to 16.

Yes, stats are hard, if you misinterpret them. So I'll stick with the ones I have proof of.

www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

Apologies, I really did not intend to infer that you would search for contradicting graphs, I meant that there are so many different graphs being produced that information can be very confusing.

I agree with you about the articles saying cases were under 19’s rather than the ages I referred to, I’m not sure where I got that information from and could have mis read, mis remembered or made it up! Not intentionally made up though, more a case of skim reading!

I think the Office of National Statistics data can be believed but I would be interested which sources you use as I find the information and graphs you post easy to understand and not exaggerated.

Thanks for pointing out my error.

There's a time lag in ONS data, so it's never as up-to-date as reporting by each country's medical agencies. ONS data is generally slightly higher because it includes people who have somehow slipped through the net. Hospitals, care homes, GPs, etc also don't always report deaths promptly, which is why daily stats aren't always accurate and explains why Monday's figures include weekends and there's always a blip.

I agree that we have to learn to live with it, but I think the perception for a lot of people is that it’s gone away. It may be sensible to reintroduce basic mandatory precautions so that infection rates can be kept low during the winter months, but I also think we need to be aware that the effects of other winter illnesses such as flu, is going to be worse because of the lowering of immunity due to lockdowns etc.

MadeInYorkshire

Alegrias1

I really take exception to the " finding contradicting graphs" comment Teacheranne. Especially as the BBC and Guardian articles I found said that half of cases were under 19 - not the same at all as half of cases being aged 12 to 16.

Yes, stats are hard, if you misinterpret them. So I'll stick with the ones I have proof of.

www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

Do we have any statistics which tell us how many deaths there were in unvaccinated and vaccinated people anywhere?

Its here MadeInYorkshire

www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/vaccine

Just for Scotland. Proportions are probably similar for the rest of the UK. IMO. I could be completely and utterly wrong.

Oh FGS growstuff. There's a page for Scotland and a page for UK. Then UK page includes international figures too and the data is split out for the 4 home nations.

I'm not a complete data innocent, you know.

Alegrias1

Thank you Teacheranne, what a nice response.

Most of the graphs I post are from TravellingTabby, which is run by a student from Ayrshire. He uses the standard data sources such as ONS, PHS and so on, but puts them into clear graphs. He's won awards for communicating the data effectively throughout the pandemic and has just got funding to keep the site going a bit longer.

No, I'm not his mum

That possible explains the data discrepancies, if you're using statistics from PHS. I use the stats from the whole of the UK or from PHE, because I happen to live in England and they're most relevant to me.

It also might explain differences in approaches and interpretation. I understand there are still some restrictions in Scotland, whereas in England it's more or less a free-for-all with people using their alleged common sense.

Alegrias1

I really take exception to the " finding contradicting graphs" comment Teacheranne. Especially as the BBC and Guardian articles I found said that half of cases were under 19 - not the same at all as half of cases being aged 12 to 16.

Yes, stats are hard, if you misinterpret them. So I'll stick with the ones I have proof of.

www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

Do we have any statistics which tell us how many deaths there were in unvaccinated and vaccinated people anywhere?

Daisymae Given that nearly 9 million people die world wide from poor air pollution, might encourage people to rationalise Covid infection rates.

Daisymae I answered your other comment on Christmas. Please try to keep some perspective on this and reality.

MayBee70

DD messaged me tonight to say she’d nipped into the Coop and no one was wearing a mask. I’ve got to go to Max Spielmans next week to get my passport photo done. It’ll be the first time in eighteen months that I’ll be in a shop without wearing a mask, albeit only for a few minutes, and I’d be much happier if other people in the shop were wearing masks.

Just wear one until you need to take it off for the photos…..

This morning my 14 year old grand-daughter tested positive after feeling unwell all weekend. She loves school and never asks not to go. Today she said she just didn't feel right. She still has the headache and she was aching all over. Her mother did a test on her and it came up as a strong positive. My grand-daughter's twin brother recovered from Covid about 11 days ago. She does sound in much more discomfort than he was. My daughter reported today's case to the Covid line. They said there was an outbreak in Gloucestershire at the moment and most of their calls were from that area. We were going down for the weekend the week after this and we have all agreed it would be wiser to postpone the visit until things are much clearer.

I've had my flu jab, tried to book for my booster Covid one today - but there's none available locally (London). I'll keep trying, though.

I don't think this is similar to flu or other infectious diseases, where we just get the jabs and carry on, though. We don't know the long term effects of Covid - or long Covid - and won't know (obviously) for quite some time. They could be severe, for some.

If I were particularly vulnerable, perhaps with pre-existing conditions, I'd feel very let down by the general 'back to normal' mood. I see the lack of precautions as reckless.

Masks are still to be worn indoor here in Scotland, but it is definitely not always happening. We've been to a concert and a show recently in two different theatres. Emails were sent out to performance goers stating masks must be worn unless eating or drinking - at least a third of the audience on both occasions had no masks on. Unfortunately I think it is the easing of mask restrictions in England which is responsible for some of the discarding of masks north of the border.

Hundreds die every week from flu in winter... Covid will be ongoing. We have to accept that. Have your boosters the same as with flu is all we can do as well as wearing a mask when shopping as this will help guard against both

at 16-Oct-21 07:33:59
COVID has become and will remain an endemic disease, like flu. We need to get back to normal. This means getting vaccinated and then living without fear.

Yes, some will get COVID and a few will die, but that applies to almost any infection you can get. DH came close to death last Christmas when he picked up an antibiotic resistant infection when he was in hospital for another reason, my father died as the result of a similar infection.

We will be paying for the economic disruption caused by the pandemic for many decades, probably as long as it took us to pay off all the debt we accrued during WW2, (60 plus years).

Much of what some people see as lack of concern in others is the opposite, it is the conscious decision of other people, once they were vaccinated, to assess the risk and decide life had to go back to normal. In every age group, it is the unvaccinated occupying the hospital beds, and, sadly, a few are dying.

Three weeks ago my DS's family went down with COVID. The children tested positive but were asymptotic. My DDil , who is vaccinated, but has an auto-immune disease, was mainly bed bound for a week, but a week after that was entirely recovered and rushing rund as normal.

This is not a lot different to what is happening with a whole lot of other diseases we are inoculated against. Both my children had all their jabs at children.Both later caught whooping cough and one had measles, despite the innoculation, but the diseases were mild. For whooping cough they both had a slight cough for a few weeks and measles lasted less than a week.

We cannot live our lives in fear for ever. We need each to make our own risk assessments, based on our own risks and who we are. Some people are more anxious, or have reason to be more anxious than others, but look at the number of obese people in the country who know the risks of type 2 diabetes - and probably have it - , heart attacks and strokes, and have a worse prognosis if they do get COVID, yet do nothing to remedy their condition.

Well said, MOnica. A breath of common sense at last.

Thank you Teacheranne, what a nice response.

Most of the graphs I post are from TravellingTabby, which is run by a student from Ayrshire. He uses the standard data sources such as ONS, PHS and so on, but puts them into clear graphs. He's won awards for communicating the data effectively throughout the pandemic and has just got funding to keep the site going a bit longer.

No, I'm not his mum

Oops, done it again and not read a post carefully enough, I see that Alegrias1 has added a link to her sources - off to have a thorough, careful read.

Alegrias1

I really take exception to the " finding contradicting graphs" comment Teacheranne. Especially as the BBC and Guardian articles I found said that half of cases were under 19 - not the same at all as half of cases being aged 12 to 16.

Yes, stats are hard, if you misinterpret them. So I'll stick with the ones I have proof of.

www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

Apologies, I really did not intend to infer that you would search for contradicting graphs, I meant that there are so many different graphs being produced that information can be very confusing.

I agree with you about the articles saying cases were under 19’s rather than the ages I referred to, I’m not sure where I got that information from and could have mis read, mis remembered or made it up! Not intentionally made up though, more a case of skim reading!

I think the Office of National Statistics data can be believed but I would be interested which sources you use as I find the information and graphs you post easy to understand and not exaggerated.

Thanks for pointing out my error.

I agree with you maddyone.