Christmas with the vaccine refusers??

The straight answer is no I wouldn’t have them over for Christmas, besides you will all be indoors with heating on. Too much of a risk

AJKW

Why do they need to be vaccinated in order for your vaccine to be effective?
Why do they need to wear a mask if your mask is effective?
If the vaccine is a touchy subject don’t discuss it, but don’t force your willingness to accept an unlicensed vaccine onto them.

They need to wear a mask because the wearer's mask doesn't protect him/her (or at least only partly). The idea is to stop the particles from being released into the atmosphere.

I don't see that expressing concern is forcing anybody to do anything, but if the OP is uncomfortable, she shouldn't feel pressurised into doing something she doesn't want to do.

Why do they need to be vaccinated in order for your vaccine to be effective?
Why do they need to wear a mask if your mask is effective?
If the vaccine is a touchy subject don’t discuss it, but don’t force your willingness to accept an unlicensed vaccine onto them.

DH and I currently have Covid and it's like a bad cold or flu (not worse) but we are double vaccinated. I would definitely not want the full force version. My father's 90th birthday at the end of this month will require all of us (vaccinated or not) to take Rapid flow tests before we meet up.

OP You are not being OTT. I think you need to be a little more assertive and tell your DiL how you feel. It doesn't matter what she thinks of you. You have the right to do what's best for you.

People hospitalised in the current phase are largely unvaccinated.

Who do people keep saying this when it isn't true? Comfort? Lack of understanding of Bayesian probability theory? Not understanding that rate isn't the same as absolute number?

All of it, probably. That and misleading headlines in the press.

In terms of raw numbers, more double-vaccinated people were hospitalised or died from Covid in England last month compared to un-vaccinated people.

But this is simply due to the fact eight in 10 adults — or 48.3million people — are fully vaccinated, leaving only a small number unprotected, and the vaccines are not 100 per cent effective.

www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/vast-majority-of-people-being-hospitalised-with-covid-are-unvaccinated/ar-AAOgLA7

Wearing face masks isn't the only answer, but all the evidence indicates they are part of the answer. Anything which stops infected particles from circulating in the air will help reduce transmission.

You are not OTT, my FinL is ECV too, being 91 - but lucky our children and partner have all been jabbed, because of Grandad. However you do have the right to feel safe in company whether attheir or yours. Can you ask your son for ideas on seeing each other while caring for your husbands health?

Some work colleagues have just returned from a trip abroad where very strict Covid rules were enforced to the point where business cards could not be exchanged. One chap fully vaccinated had tested positive for Covid. I would not take any risks it just needs isn’t worth it.

Olive53

If the vaccine is so wonderful, why worry if some people haven’t had it. Surely it’s personal choice
You can still catch it vaccinated or un vaccinated

Wearing face masks is not the answer!!!! Stop testing if you have no symptoms that's the answer!!!
People are becoming neurotic with every sniffle, head ache, sore throat, and test themselves straight away instead of just getting on with life, it's just a cold!!!! Whatever happened to Common sense!!!

We have the highest covid rates in Europe.
Other European countries have mandatory mask wearing.
It isn’t ‘just a cold’.
People hospitalised in the current phase are largely unvaccinated.
You make your choices Olive and leave the r4st of us to make more sensible ones

I would not mix with anyone who had not been vaccinated. I cannot understand those people. Smallpox diphtheria , etc would still be endemic without vaccination.

I am genuinely interested in what you all seem to think is going to happen if you are the same room as a unvaccinated person? Anybody that is asymptomatic could pass it on vaccinated or not ..and if you’re unwell then surely that person would not visit anyhow .

Covid is not going to go away and there will always be those who are unvaccinated so it’s going to be a long term decision

I have had both vaccines but I actually don't see any evidence that the vaccine is helping reducing the rate of Covid. The rates are actually increasing - despite the fact that the majority of adults have had the jab. So for me it would not be a problem that non-vaccinated people are coming to visit . It is probably the slobbering and kissing that is the issue - just don't do that . Ask them to do a test before visiting if you want .

I have been saying for weeks that there could be something wrong with the testing system. I've known people who are positive, people in the same household with symptoms yet test negative. Although of course it's possible it does seem more unlikely given what we know about transmissibility. I'm really fed up with it, I just wish it would go away!

Pippins6133

Can we be sure that LFTs and PCR tests are reliable?

Let's hope, after the recent debacle, that testing will improve.

A PCR testing laboratory set up hastily on a shoestring, awarded a government contract for over £100m, with no proper controls in place, was a recipe for yet another disaster.

Is it worth the risk?
It’s pretty straightforward.
How would you feel if your husband or yourself became seriously ill?
Tests for everyone needed?
I’m fed up with “I’ll wait and see” brigade. What they’re saying is, “I couldn’t give a fig if I infect you as long as I’m OK”
As long as these pathetic individuals are around, the virus will continue to mutate.

Daisymae

Alegrian - a lab in England has recently passed 43000 positive PCR test as negative. I would think that there's some lack of confidence in testing at the moment.
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/public-urged-to-retake-covid-tests-after-false-negatives-in-berkshire

It's too late and there is no point in re-testing as the virus may have left the system by then but in the meantime been passed on to others.

It's not awful just for those affected, all their contacts may now have been infected too.
Luckily, for other reasons, we have not seen the member of our family who was reported by that lab as negative for Covid but it may well have been passed on to others in an ever-widening circle.

That may well explain the increase in cases in Wales and the south-west as people were reassured by these negative tests.

Daisymae

Alegrian - a lab in England has recently passed 43000 positive PCR test as negative. I would think that there's some lack of confidence in testing at the moment.
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/public-urged-to-retake-covid-tests-after-false-negatives-in-berkshire

It's not just Berkshire, Daisymae, it is the south-west, the west and part of Wales too.
Obviously, having had a negative result, anyone who didn't have much in the way of symptoms then carried on going out and about, to work and to school, unwittingly passing the virus on to others.

Grammaretto
It might not be 100% affective at stopping you catching it but it is definitely a lot better at keeping you from being hospitalised or dying.

In your position OP, especially because of your husband’s vulnerability, I would want to avoid visitors altogether, especially those who haven’t been vaccinated.

i have never asked any of my family their vaccination position, that is their private business and none of mine. The fact that people have made this divide amongst society just adds to the anxiety of feelings around times like Christmas, weddings etc. If there was ever a way to divide a family cause friction then that is it.

Pedwards

That’s not good Pammie1 have you lodged a complaint to the hospital about this? They should review their processes as a result of your experience.

We reported it via the PALS service, who advised that it WAS protocol was to place in isolation after positive LFT, until the result was confirmed by PCR. However, the hospital were very vague in response, kind of excusing it by saying there wasn’t always the facility to isolate.

What really annoyed me though, was that despite being in hospital for three days - plenty of time to notify him of at least one of the negative PCR tests, we only found out that they were negative after he got home - when he got round to checking email on his phone. My neighbour has consulted a solicitor about her husband’s death and investigations are ongoing.

A few weeks afterwards, while we were recovering from Covid, I happened to watch Question Time and a representative from the NHS was implying that people weren’t taking enough precautions and were overwhelming the NHS as a result. If I’d had a brick handy it would have been through the TV !!

My son and daughter in law are fully vaccinated but nevertheless always test before visiting us. We haven’t asked them to, they do it as a courtesy and because they would be appalled if they passed covid on to us.