Criminally Negligent: What Jacob Rees Mogg Said! ?

Olive53

Alegrias1 A PowerPoint indeed. What a condescending superior person you are. Don’t speak to me as though I’m completely stupid and ignorant of the situation.
Everyone has their own opinion you know, it’s not just your opinion that’s obviously the right one.

Totally disagree with your rude description of Alegrias1. Both Maddyone and Grannygravy praised her post. There is no question that she is in possession of facts and understands them.

lemongrove - semantics here. ''Shall we have the truth kali? Rees Mogg did not advocate against mask wearing.Did you watch the clip?'' of course I watched it! The point is, the Government's Health Minister had said just before that the Government and the House should be leading by example.

And yes, I am aware that mask wearing in enclosed public spaces is NOT the law currently in England- but it is all over Europe, and for very good reasons. Numbers are going up fast in the UK, much more so than elsewhere in Europe- and our Government should rethink the rules- and certainly lead by example - as said above, just as Jawid has advised the very same day. How can you tell people they should wear masks on public transport, for instance? They will just turn and say- well our Government can't be bothered, so why should I'

Olive53

Alegrias1 A PowerPoint indeed. What a condescending superior person you are. Don’t speak to me as though I’m completely stupid and ignorant of the situation.
Everyone has their own opinion you know, it’s not just your opinion that’s obviously the right one.

Eh? What's wring with Powerpoint as a way of communicating information?

Callistemon

growstuff

My impression of JRM is that he sees it all as a big joke. His carefully manufactured image as an upper class twat allows him to get away with it.

I dont think it is carefully manufactured, growstuff, I think that is just how he is, perhaps similar to his father?

^William Rees-Mogg was born in 1928. His father was a Somerset landowner, and his mother an American actor. From a young age William, like Jacob, combined fogeyishness – he loved double-breasted suits and old books – with a modern expertise at self-promotion. A high-profile undergraduate at Oxford, he told an interviewer from the student magazine Isis that he read the Financial Times every morning^

Maybe you're right, but it's always seemed to me like a front to cover up some seriously nasty, right-wing views. I guess he liked the attention his fogeyishness attracted, so exploits it.

Amazed at the animosity towards posters on this thread. So much for the request by the Amess family for kindness and understanding? none of that shown here. Or respect for other peoples views and opinions. As for Gabrielle56 post words fail me, and its would appear no offence taken by her vitriolic words!

The use of humour in the cut and thrust of debate is I'm sure all most amusing in the debating society of convent grammar schools and no doubt Eton.

When there are 139,000 people dead, a pandemic still raging and peoples' lives and livelihoods in their hands I wish that Mogg and his chums would cut the japes and take the damn job seriously. Just please inspire confidence in us - even if it is only once. You don't have to be 'Pushiest Fresher' any more - you can just be a decent person and a damn good MP and run the flipping country.

As an aside, even I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing Scones properly now.

Some people on here seem to forget that there are vulnerable people out there who are at risk because of this ridiculous motion that wearing a mask somehow infringes on others rights.

My son is in a vulnerable group, he cannot have a vaccination or wear a mask. He also cannot stay home. He’s learning disabled though and frankly this government have never cared about those with learning disabilities or their deaths.

I wear a mask to protect others. It isn’t virtue signalling it’s just common decency.

Yes Jacob Rees-Mogg does often come out with oodles of utter tosh! It's a pity he does not possess more of his father's common sense and moderation.

Nezumi65

Some people on here seem to forget that there are vulnerable people out there who are at risk because of this ridiculous motion that wearing a mask somehow infringes on others rights.

My son is in a vulnerable group, he cannot have a vaccination or wear a mask. He also cannot stay home. He’s learning disabled though and frankly this government have never cared about those with learning disabilities or their deaths.

I wear a mask to protect others. It isn’t virtue signalling it’s just common decency.

I always wear a mask in shops and other enclosed spaces, including car sharing, and I step back when I pass anybody in the road. I changed my hairdresser because she doesn't wear a mask and I won't go into cafes, restaurants, shops, museums etc where mask wearing isn't enforced.

I agree with you Nezumi - it is common decency or maybe uncommon decency.

fushia

Amazed at the animosity towards posters on this thread. So much for the request by the Amess family for kindness and understanding? none of that shown here. Or respect for other peoples views and opinions. As for Gabrielle56 post words fail me, and its would appear no offence taken by her vitriolic words!

How about some kindness and understanding in real life towards those who are clinically vulnerable but don't want to be stuck at home as a result of other people's selfishness?

fushia. I was shocked at the venom in that post too. Not just directed at Tories but their families too. Just sick.

fushia....intolerance seems to reign supreme on the forum at the moment.

Am also wondering how long a thread about Rees Mogg and his remarks can be spun out....maybe just until Boris Johnson says something people can feel outraged by.
The OP is about Rees Mogg and yet it’s been turned into something else really, the question of mask wearing by the general public, which isn’t mandatory in England just now.
That being the case, nobody can blame people who don’t wish to wear one in some situations.
It may be that mask wearing will be brought back for all shops and public transport for the Winter, but until then we can all make choices having assessed levels of risks.

This is how he voted for anyone who doesn't know

Do you work lemongrove? If so, in what kind of environment?

I would be much happier in my workplace if masks were mandatory tbqh. I also have a vulnerable adult child like Nezumi who just does not have capacity to social distance or make well thought out decisions. Life is a lot more complex for lots of people.

Jane I have a vulnerable DGS who can’t social distance or make well thought out decisions, but there are millions of people who can and I don’t expect the rules/ decisions by government on Covid to be for the minority, it has to be for society at large, and we do our best for the more vulnerable in our own families.Life is a lot more complex for some people, that’s very true.My DGS has had both Covid jabs and the flu jab, as am sure that your DD has, which is a big relief.
Life itself is a problem for my DGS ( aged 17) and your adult DD is probably the same, it’s very hard.

Mask wearing is a very small adjustment that the majority could do, to help protect everyone.

Thank you for your reply lemongrove, I appreciate it.

Jane

52 votes for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits. 0 for.

14 votes against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability. 0 for.

16 votes against a bankers bonus tax. 0 for.

Tells a tale about him and the people who vote for him.

Check out Rees Moggs fathers book, The Sovereign Individual to find out what shapes the man.

You will have to take that up with his constituency voters in Somerset Scones.

lemongrove

Jane I have a vulnerable DGS who can’t social distance or make well thought out decisions, but there are millions of people who can and I don’t expect the rules/ decisions by government on Covid to be for the minority, it has to be for society at large, and we do our best for the more vulnerable in our own families.Life is a lot more complex for some people, that’s very true.My DGS has had both Covid jabs and the flu jab, as am sure that your DD has, which is a big relief.
Life itself is a problem for my DGS ( aged 17) and your adult DD is probably the same, it’s very hard.

I disagree. The government has a commitment to make laws which consider minorities, apart from any moral considerations. Wearing a mask to protect others is a small step with high value outcomes. There is little doubt that they reduce transmission, not only from one person to another but by reducing the airborne particles in an enclosed space. Viruses, unlike bacteria which carry on multiplying, are only effective if they find a receptor. If they don't find one within a relatively short time, they die (not that they were ever properly alive in the first place). Masks are one tool, but a cheap and effective one.

In Scotland we still wear masks in enclosed places, public transport, restaurants etc. I’m proud of our people protecting themselves and each other but most especially our most vulnerable, the most precious in our society.

You would likely have to keep the population masked up for years because the virus isn’t going anywhere, it will just mutate just as flu usually kills thousands each year, sadly.
I think that mask wearing in public places may come back for the Winter period, but that will be all.
Incidentally my DGS would just rip his mask off if he felt like it or not bother to put it on in the first place.

Granniesunite

In Scotland we still wear masks in enclosed places, public transport, restaurants etc. I’m proud of our people protecting themselves and each other but most especially our most vulnerable, the most precious in our society.

Granniesunite the people in Scotland have no choice, they have to wear masks, if it weren't the law then no doubt people there wouldn’t always choose to wear them.