With the Government refusing to implement a plan this weeks video gives us what we can do for ourselves.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc7A1bVuSJU
M0nica
The OP has misquoted the headline of the Zoe study. It is headed Could COVID break 100,000 cases per day?, not 'COVID cases on the brink of breaking 100k a day'
I listened to the first 10 minutes or so of Tim Spector's presentation and found it to be very full of ifs and buts and vague assertions, whichI found very disappointing as I have always had a lot of respect for Tim Spector.
I think it’s unfair to say that if you haven’t listened to the whole thing.
Urmstongran
Latest cases for the whole of the UK = 41,278
A fall of 12% from yesterday’s figures.
Good news.
Daily changes aren't very meaningful. Let's wait and see what happens when schools return after the half-term holidays. It was young people who were driving the increase in cases until last week. Hopefully, vaccinations will make a difference.
The OP has misquoted the headline of the Zoe study. It is headed Could COVID break 100,000 cases per day?, not 'COVID cases on the brink of breaking 100k a day'
I listened to the first 10 minutes or so of Tim Spector's presentation and found it to be very full of ifs and buts and vague assertions, whichI found very disappointing as I have always had a lot of respect for Tim Spector.
Latest cases for the whole of the UK = 41,278
A fall of 12% from yesterday’s figures.
Good news.
Cunco
To answer earlier comments, without question, COVID-19 is a serious illness that contributes to early death. Thankfully, its impact is significantly lower now that we have vaccines to combat the virus.
The latest update from ONS is here: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/deaths
It shows that most people dying with COVID-19 as a cause are over 75 and had pre-existing condition of which diabetes was the most common (almost 25% of the total). Hypertension and chronic respiratory diseases are the next most significant.
It also shows that 'excess deaths' are currently still negative.
I do not think there is a strong case for another lockdown now and should one be considered in future, the economic implications and impact on people's mental health and well-being should be weighed in the balance.
There isn't a strong case for lockdown and, provided simple precautions continue, there won't be a case in the future. Most people aren't claiming that.
I am concerned that you seem to dismiss the deaths of people with diabetes and hypertension. People with either condition can live long, happy, normal lives, if they look after themselves. It's quite insulting to be told that death doesn't really matter because you're expected to die anyway.
MayBee70
I don’t think many of us are calling for a lockdown. I, for one, just want mask wearing to be mandatory in public places and social distancing to be maintained. Possibly mask wearing outside at large public events, football matches, horse racing etc. I don’t think that’s too much to ask for.
Same here!
We are out and about this weekend staying in York have noticed mask wearing is probably around 15% of people with a little more on buses
I have noticed even though Wales has not stopped wearing them their figures are going higher
I don’t think many of us are calling for a lockdown. I, for one, just want mask wearing to be mandatory in public places and social distancing to be maintained. Possibly mask wearing outside at large public events, football matches, horse racing etc. I don’t think that’s too much to ask for.
To answer earlier comments, without question, COVID-19 is a serious illness that contributes to early death. Thankfully, its impact is significantly lower now that we have vaccines to combat the virus.
The latest update from ONS is here: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/deaths
It shows that most people dying with COVID-19 as a cause are over 75 and had pre-existing condition of which diabetes was the most common (almost 25% of the total). Hypertension and chronic respiratory diseases are the next most significant.
It also shows that 'excess deaths' are currently still negative.
I do not think there is a strong case for another lockdown now and should one be considered in future, the economic implications and impact on people's mental health and well-being should be weighed in the balance.
They do - the system is run by Public Health Wales, and they decided there was no added benefit in producing the figures on Saturday. I’d imagine it’s probably a small team of people producing the figures here, and we’ve all got used to it.
Casdon
You’re ahead of Wales then Alegrias1, ours aren’t produced at all on a Saturday so Fridays are reported on Sunday, and Saturday and Sunday both on Monday, which is why our figures always look terrible on Mondays to the uninitiated (eg the BBC!).
How bizarre Casdon! They must have Saturdays off!
UK figures just published
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-records-another-41-278-coronavirus-cases-and-166-related-deaths-12455158
I agree people are making their own decisions on how they’re living with Covid. As we still mask, wash hands and avoid crowded places we also choose to avoid those who are less rigid than us. DD and GC’s lateral flow test three times a week.
Sad to see Tonga have their first ever case.
You’re ahead of Wales then Alegrias1, ours aren’t produced at all on a Saturday so Fridays are reported on Sunday, and Saturday and Sunday both on Monday, which is why our figures always look terrible on Mondays to the uninitiated (eg the BBC!).
I think the national figure will be produced via the Scottish Government, not at a UK level, they just amalgamate them.
Its not necessarily as big an increase as it appears to be. The reported figures over the last few days in Scotland have been lower than reality because of a data flow issue at the Glasgow Lighthouse Lab. So we need to wait until they publish the data by specimen date to understand how the figures have evolved over the last few days.
That could be Monday, the detailed data is not always published at the weekend.
Northern Ireland & Scotland’s figures for today.
Sorry cannot go with the conspiracy theory regarding COP26 as surely they would not have published the increase in Scotland’s cases?
Of course everyone will have a different definition of the term “living with covid”
Two members of my family at the opposite range in age are both living with heart conditions. One is retired and of course has a wide option as to how they live their life, because they can choose to avoid crowded spaces etc. The other still under 20 and not so much of an option when it comes to living with covid, as college and mixing with friends is a vital ingredient for a teenager/ young adult.
Other members of my family are mostly reacting in the same way. Avoiding crowded spaces, wearing masks, keeping up with the vaccine and abreast of the latest information.
We are getting together as a family LFTs allowing. So far no one has tested positive.
I have however friends who are “living with covid” at what I see as a riskier existence. One in particular who is extremely vulnerable, but is choosing not to wear a mask, going to the cinema, crowded little tea shops and such. That is her choice and her way of “living with covid”
We are all different as pippa says. Nobody’s definition is exactly the same.
We assume that of Johnson because he has history. As for statistics, they can be interpreted in any way that suits the person interpreting them. It just seems to me that the government are interpreting them in a way that doesn’t take the limelight away from COP26.
PippaZ
Alegrias1
PippaZ
^ displays a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^
I wonder if you have the modesty to admit that applies to you too?Well I've never felt the need to refer to another person's posts as "rot".
I have not said another person's post is "rot" Alegrais. You have decided to call posters scaremongerer's seemingly simply because they do not share your views. You have had the hubris to think you can chose those whose views are unacceptable. You have, therefore, decided they should be "called out" as if they were something akin to racists or misogynists.
I would say all that does display ^ a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^
I've noticed something on GN. People seem to think every post and comment refers to them.
Anyway, on a separate topic. This thread included people who were saying that the government were playing down infections. That's not a view, its an accusation. And its a fact, not a view that they are not playing down infections, there are different measures of the infection rate and there always have been.
Or the suggestion that we're in the exact same position as we were in April; that Johnson is prevaricating while its obvious what the action should be, just so he gets to go to COP26. ( India all over again ) Well the action isn't obvious, and none of us know whether he's prevaricating or not. Some have assumed he is because they pretend to know exactly what action to take.
And what about posts highlighting the magic 100,000 figure? A suspicious person might think that this was being used because Javid mentioned that we might get that high, using the daily figures as a reference. But we've got that high as an estimate from a non-governmental source. Two different ways of measuring it but being conflated in order to.... well, I don't quite know why. Let's be charitable and say lack of understanding.
You can call it hubris or anything else you like PippaZ, but when I see misinformation and exaggeration I'm going to post about it, mainly because I know the difference between opinion and reality.
GrannyGravy13
PippaZ
GrannyGravy13 Sat 30-Oct-21 12:45:12
When I set out three possible views of what the slogan "learning to live with it" means, I tried to show the diversity of people's definitions - not my take on it.
It doesn't matter what our personal views are if there is not a single, agreed definition. If there isn't we could as well be talking in a foreign language and that way anger, not discussion, lies.My three definitions are my understanding of how various groups in society view living with Covid based on family, friends and acquaintances going about their daily lives.
The fourth paragraph is how I am living with Covid
No anger, no foreign language just plain English PippaZ
I understood that GrannyGravy and I did not say you were angry.
What I did say was it has no agreed meaning. You have yours as you have pointed out but it will not be everyones and therein lies confusion and disagreement.
Alegrias1
PippaZ
^ displays a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^
I wonder if you have the modesty to admit that applies to you too?Well I've never felt the need to refer to another person's posts as "rot".
I have not said another person's post is "rot" Alegrais. You have decided to call posters scaremongerer's seemingly simply because they do not share your views. You have had the hubris to think you can chose those whose views are unacceptable. You have, therefore, decided they should be "called out" as if they were something akin to racists or misogynists.
I would say all that does display ^ a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^
PippaZ
*GrannyGravy*13 Sat 30-Oct-21 12:45:12
When I set out three possible views of what the slogan "learning to live with it" means, I tried to show the diversity of people's definitions - not my take on it.
It doesn't matter what our personal views are if there is not a single, agreed definition. If there isn't we could as well be talking in a foreign language and that way anger, not discussion, lies.
My three definitions are my understanding of how various groups in society view living with Covid based on family, friends and acquaintances going about their daily lives.
The fourth paragraph is how I am living with Covid
No anger, no foreign language just plain English PippaZ
GrannyGravy13 Sat 30-Oct-21 12:45:12
When I set out three possible views of what the slogan "learning to live with it" means, I tried to show the diversity of people's definitions - not my take on it.
It doesn't matter what our personal views are if there is not a single, agreed definition. If there isn't we could as well be talking in a foreign language and that way anger, not discussion, lies.
Casdon
Alegrias1 I think you’re right regarding the linear connection between the measures taken and the infection rate not being clear, because Wales has virtually the same measures in place as Scotland, but our peak has been a couple of months later and very high. Here it is being related to the children going back to school, and the test centre failure, as with SW England. Having said that I do think the measures make a difference, not least in terms of people’s confidence because they are doing something positive when they comply.
I agree Casdon
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