COVID cases on the brink of breaking 100k a day (Zoe Covid Study)

MayBee70

Alegrias1

MayBee70

My grandsons covid infection was picked up before he showed any symptoms on the LFT.

^Because that's how LFTs work and what they are for.^

But you were implying that I was saying that everyone who sneezes might turn up asking for PCR tests. I was just pointing out that they needed to do a LFT, not a PCR.

Everybody should be doing 2 LFTs a week, just as your daughter is doing MayBee70. By doing that, she caught your grandson's infection before he was symptomatic. I'm assuming he did become symptomatic, maybe that's incorrect. But anyway, she found it when there were no other indications that he had the virus.

Now, suppose we were told that sneezing, headache, a bit of a rash...etc. were all symptoms of Covid. If you have symptoms of Covid you are meant to get a PCR because the LFT is no longer accurate enough. So by extending the list of symptoms to include so many others that are not so indicative of Covid-19, but could be due to many other things, the government would be asking anyone with these symptoms to go for a PCR test, which would completely overload the system and mean that many more people than necessary were self isolating. Just because they had a bit of a headache.

Now some may say its worth it. I don't happen to think it is.

Alegrias1 I think you’re right regarding the linear connection between the measures taken and the infection rate not being clear, because Wales has virtually the same measures in place as Scotland, but our peak has been a couple of months later and very high. Here it is being related to the children going back to school, and the test centre failure, as with SW England. Having said that I do think the measures make a difference, not least in terms of people’s confidence because they are doing something positive when they comply.

MayBee70

Alegrias1

MayBee70

My grandsons covid infection was picked up before he showed any symptoms on the LFT.

^Because that's how LFTs work and what they are for.^

But you were implying that I was saying that everyone who sneezes might turn up asking for PCR tests. I was just pointing out that they needed to do a LFT, not a PCR.

LFT are for people not displaying any Covid symptoms.

PCR are for people who are displaying one or more symptoms of Covid.

Alegrias1

PippaZ

^ displays a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^

I wonder if you have the modesty to admit that applies to you too?

Well I've never felt the need to refer to another person's posts as "rot".

Oh dear that makes two of us as I do agree with pippa.

Alegrias1

MayBee70

My grandsons covid infection was picked up before he showed any symptoms on the LFT.

^Because that's how LFTs work and what they are for.^

But you were implying that I was saying that everyone who sneezes might turn up asking for PCR tests. I was just pointing out that they needed to do a LFT, not a PCR.

singingnutty

My niece has just come back from Italy and says that tests must be paid for - a lateral flow test costs 50 euros and a PCR test costs 100 euros. I find this shocking and it must be impossible to know how many people have Covid in Italy

I think there are plans to pay for tests in U.K. further down the line.

My niece has just come back from Italy and says that tests must be paid for - a lateral flow test costs 50 euros and a PCR test costs 100 euros. I find this shocking and it must be impossible to know how many people have Covid in Italy

GrannyGravy13 Sat 30-Oct-21 12:45:12

Good post

PippaZ

^ displays a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^

I wonder if you have the modesty to admit that applies to you too?

Well I've never felt the need to refer to another person's posts as "rot".

rUK is around 600 right now.

Sorry, not rUK, the whole of the UK.

Scotland seems to be doing better, almost certainly because of the mitigation that they have in place.

Big assumption WWM2. Back in September we had a peak of 825 cases per 100,000, when rUK overall was about 350. rUK is around 600 right now. All our mitigations were in place then, it was probably due to nightclubs and so on opening up - the rise started before the schools re-opened.

IMO, and its just MO, it is not nearly as linearly causal a connection as people might think.

Spiegelhalter also wrote:

"There have been many claims Covid-19 has been incidental to many people’s deaths. When Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate in the first wave, it was the underlying cause of mortality for more than nine in 10 registrations. That changes somewhat when the virus becomes rarer, with the proportion dying “with” Covid-19 at 32% in late April 2021. When there is less virus around, cases tend to be less severe, though the present infection was considered to have contributed to the death in some way.

It is rare for there to be only one primary cause of death. In the first wave there were pre-existing conditions in 91% of deaths involving Covid-19, with dementia and Alzheimer’s disease present in 25%."

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/10/covid-by-numbers-10-key-lessons-separating-fact-from-fiction

Yes, it is absolute rot to claim that most people have died with Covid, not of Covid.

^ displays a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^

I wonder if you have the modesty to admit that applies to you too?

My goodness since posting Zoe figures this morning they have now reached

Estimated new cases 92700
Estimated live cases 1174000

Scotland seems to be doing better, almost certainly because of the mitigation that they have in place. Ireland doesnt appear to provide sufficient data to be able to provide any estimation.

Alegrias1

MayBee70

My grandsons covid infection was picked up before he showed any symptoms on the LFT.

^Because that's how LFTs work and what they are for.^

My two primary age nieces and BiL had positiveLFT’s, my sisters was negative. They have just had PCR test results back, children are positive, both double jabbed parents are negative.

Well done Pfizer.

I thought you meant that Johnson was delaying bringing in restrictions in a timely way because he wanted the limelight, same as he did back in April.

because there is no alternative to living with it, it’s not going away
Thems the words.

Learning to live with it if you are retired offers you the choice to shop on line, gives you the option of being selective where you go and who you meet up with.

Learning to live with it if you run a SME means ensuring a safe working environment for you and your staff whilst carrying on running the company in profit which in turns means that you do not have to let go of any staff.

Learning to live with it if you have school age children means letting them go to school to learn but also letting them socialise with their peers which they need for their self esteem/mental health and for the primary children it’s all part of learning how to socialise and belong to society.

Learning to live with it to me means all of the above, I have had three Pfizer vaccines, I look after GC (two of which along with parents are temporarily living here), I do not use public transport but have used taxis and worn a face covering . I eat out regularly, I have been to the cinema and worn a mask, I have been into supermarkets, local shops, our County Town and nearby big shopping mall all whilst wearing a face

Live is for living, it’s not a dress rehearsal you only get one chance, it is for us all to make our own choices on how we wish to go about our daily lives.

alegrais you misunderstood my comment about India. Obviously I should have been clearer, although I suspect maybe who I was answering understood it perfectly.

MayBee70

My grandsons covid infection was picked up before he showed any symptoms on the LFT.

Because that's how LFTs work and what they are for.

My grandsons covid infection was picked up before he showed any symptoms on the LFT.

Well PippaZ the other quotes were mostly verbatim so I’m sure everyone will be able to identify their own comments easily. And of course I’m sure it’s entirely possible that everybody will come along and say “well its obvious” or “that’s not what I meant”. Which, in my view, displays a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have, and how constantly reading only negative and exaggerated things can have a disproportionate effect on the way we view a situation.

So I won’t be justifying why I posted, other than to say that inflammatory and inaccurate comments deserve to be called out.

Can I say something about “living with it”? There is a vocal group here who shout down or question anybody who says that we have to live with it, condemning them as covid deniers who just want people to die so that they can go to the pub. Well I agree with your post of 12:25. Because there is no alternative to living with it, it’s not going away.

"Learning to live with it" and "getting back to normal" are slogans that can mean anything to anyone MayBee.

For some people "Learning to live with it" seems to mean ignoring the virus and going back to exactly how they used to live with no mitigations in place.

For others, it seems to mean being ultra-cautious and staying quite close to the most severe conditions we have been asked to keep to over the last nearly two years.

In the middle I see those who see it as meaning moving forward and accepting there will be changes in how we live and that for some time we have to take certain mitigating measures.

The difficulty is that chiming out "Learning to live with it" doesn't help any discussion when it is not defined.

I don’t understand this learning to live with it. When the pandemic first started my initial reaction was to do everything possible to not catch it until more was learned about it and effective treatments, preventatives were found. Which has since happened. Now, having been vaccinated and soon to have my booster, I’m probably going to go out and about more but still be very careful throughout the winter, especially when infection rates are still high. No theatre or cinema visits for me. To learn to live with it, imo means learning how to not die from it. The people I know that use that phrase the most seem to be living as if there isn’t a pandemic. That isn’t learning to live with it, it’s just trying to ignore the fact that it’s happening. And it is Russian roulette in the way that someone young and incredibly fit and healthy can be as badly affected as someone old and with underlying health conditions. Which, to me, is the most scary part of it.

Alegrais, could you also post the other quotes in full so everyone has the possibility of replying to your accusation?