COVID cases on the brink of breaking 100k a day (Zoe Covid Study)

Josianne

I can't remember where I heard it, (I am away on holiday this week), but apparently 4 times as many American school aged children are being hospitalized with covid as UK children.
Why?

I will whisper this quietly but could it be related to diet and obesity?

Growstuff; My figures are reported weekly [usually Tuesdays] by ONS. They are deaths where COVID-19 is mentioned on the death certificate. As we have discussed, many of these deaths also involve another illness.

As I noted, the latest figures in this series were for the week ending 22 October. As I also noted, they do not indicate a rising trend but it may become one. Your figures are later and from a different source.

The deaths throughout the period I presented were less than one half of one percent of new cases 4 weeks earlier. This compares with over 5% at the peak early in 2021 before vaccination was widespread. My caution was because cases have subsequently risen but there is now hope for later on because the trend in new cases most recently is downwards.

My source is:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

There is a summary on the front page but be aware, if you download the full spreadsheet, it is quite large and you need spreadsheet software to open it. Thankfully, it is not as big and cumbersome as the one detailing deaths in every borough in England and Wales for every week of the year.

growstuff

rosie1959

I don't wish to catch it Growstuff but it depends on how much you are prepared to give up to avoid it and how busy your life is with work children and grandchildren
Certainly would not want any sympathy but then again millions have caught it were they all defeatist or just going about their normal daiky life

Almost half of them were school age children who caught it and almost certainly passed it on to family members, including older and more vulnerable ones.

They may well have been Growstuff but I have no intention of stopping my grandchildren visiting Apart from that I look after the youngest one day a week
We actually have had very few infections in our primary schools or nurseries all my grandchildren are quite young
No point in having the vaccine if I am going to worry about every interaction

I can't remember where I heard it, (I am away on holiday this week), but apparently 4 times as many American school aged children are being hospitalized with covid as UK children.
Why?

rosie1959

I don't wish to catch it Growstuff but it depends on how much you are prepared to give up to avoid it and how busy your life is with work children and grandchildren
Certainly would not want any sympathy but then again millions have caught it were they all defeatist or just going about their normal daiky life

Almost half of them were school age children who caught it and almost certainly passed it on to family members, including older and more vulnerable ones.

Sorry, I forgot the link:

www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020

To put that into context, there were 27,142 deaths in England from influenza and pneumonia in 2018. In 2019, there were 24,400. Currently, the number of deaths from Covid is approximately double the number of deaths from influenza and pneumonia in 2018 and 2019.

Which figures are you using Cunco? Yesterday (4 November) the number of reported deaths in England was 152.

Other reported deaths are:

29 Oct 186
30 Oct 166
31 Oct 74
1 Nov 40
2 Nov 255
3 Nov 191

By my reckoning, that's a total of 1064 reported deaths in England over the last 7 days.

That looks like an increase to me.

Weekly deaths involving COVID-19 in England since week ending 9 September have been 786, 783, 799, 715, 582, 640 and 708, the latest figure reported for week ending 22 October. Over the period, it is not a rising trend although it might become one.

If the focus is on reducing the spread of the virus, it should perhaps target secondary school children where cases are rising faster. If the focus is preventing deaths, full vaccination (with booster) of older people is the most effective means.

Over 80% of the latest weekly deaths involving COVID-19 in England & Wales were people over 65.

I wear a mask when inside public transport or shops. I am not sure it is necessary as I am fully vaccinated; but it makes me feel safer. I don't test unless I have a reason to test. I understand why people test more often but, given my lifestyle and again, full vaccination, I don't think it necessary for me.

No problem GG13

MerylStreep - what happened after the summer olympics?

It will be interesting to see what happens to world figures after the Winter Olympics to be held in Beijing Feb 2022.

Alegrias1

Just for the avoidance of doubt, reported cases in Scotland were up by 1,000 but yet again, there's been a reporting lag with the cases so the 3,495 reported cases cover more than one day. The Scottish average is about 2,600 per day.

Thanks Alegrias1 I am not firing on all cylinders at the moment (three weeks of chest infection/cold/asthma flare up) just dipping in and out.

Just for the avoidance of doubt, reported cases in Scotland were up by 1,000 but yet again, there's been a reporting lag with the cases so the 3,495 reported cases cover more than one day. The Scottish average is about 2,600 per day.

Thanks GG13 ✅
Good to have the latest info.

Juicywords

The reason cases are down is almost certainly down to half term, and children not being tested. I think we should wait until next week for a true picture.

The number of tests per day has decreased by about 2% over the last week, and has started to rise again.

The number of reported positive cases has decreased by nearly 10% over the same period.

Ergo....

I don't wish to catch it Growstuff but it depends on how much you are prepared to give up to avoid it and how busy your life is with work children and grandchildren
Certainly would not want any sympathy but then again millions have caught it were they all defeatist or just going about their normal daiky life

The reason cases are down is almost certainly down to half term, and children not being tested. I think we should wait until next week for a true picture.

Wearing a mask is hardly difficult.

growstuff

Deaths are still going up though.

Yes because hospital admissions and deaths lag behind Covid cases by anything from 10 days to three weeks.

rosie1959

I didn’t mean rush off literally Growstuff my tests are upstairs
But no way am I going to test ask my children to wait 30 mins for results that would just be daft I am pretty sure most people don’t do that either
If they infect me then so be it we are all likely to catch it at some point If I was that paranoid about someone passing it on I would never go anywhere our business is run from our house with people in and out frequently

I refuse to be so defeatist. If you want to catch it, it's up to you, but I'm determined I won't. Don't expect any sympathy.

Deaths are still going up though.

Three out of four countries in the U.K. are down Scotland up by approximately 1,000

Yes could well have done Juicywords

rosie1959

No I am also sure Growstuff that mask wearing has not contributed to the increase in infection in Wales but it hasn’t stopped cases increasing The infection rate could have been higher without them who knows

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/23/covid-testing-failures-at-uk-lab-should-have-been-flagged-within-days
The Wolverhampton testing lab failure would have covered Wales. So probably reason for high cases there.

I didn’t mean rush off literally Growstuff my tests are upstairs
But no way am I going to test ask my children to wait 30 mins for results that would just be daft I am pretty sure most people don’t do that either
If they infect me then so be it we are all likely to catch it at some point If I was that paranoid about someone passing it on I would never go anywhere our business is run from our house with people in and out frequently