COVID cases on the brink of breaking 100k a day (Zoe Covid Study)

MayBee70

Having got out and about more recently I have noticed more people seem to be wearing masks, even outside.

Good!

Further to my post about Sir Jeremy Farrar, Richard Tice, who has campaigned against lockdowns, and hundreds of trolls have piled on to Twitter to smear Farrar, who is a genuinely respected scientist. It makes one wonder why Tice should feel the need to be so defensive.

There's something fishy going on or maybe it's just a coincidence that this resignation coincides with the release of some of the JVCI minutes, which has hardly been covered by the main-stream media.

Having got out and about more recently I have noticed more people seem to be wearing masks, even outside.

Casdon

Death rates are about three weeks behind infection rates I believe growstuff, so it will get worse before it gets better.

Yes, they will.

I'm not getting too optimistic about the reported cases until schools have been back for a few days. As people said when cases were rising, it's death which really matter.

Death rates are about three weeks behind infection rates I believe growstuff, so it will get worse before it gets better.

MayBee70

Is that the Jenny Harries who said PPE shortages were due to NHS staff using them incorrectly or overusing them (or something like that).

The one and the same!

Casdon

Of course it is good that the number of reported cases has reduced compared with last week, but as that is what was predicted because of the impact of the half term break, it’s too early to assume the trend will continue - although we all hope it will. We have another review in Wales in three weeks. The regulations were tightened last week, and the FM has already said they will be tightened again if there is a further increase, which implies that is what they are anticipating.

UK deaths are still on an upward trajectory.

Sir Jeremy Farrar has resigned from SAGE:

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-sir-jeremy-farrar-quits-sage-advisory-group-amid-concerning-coronavirus-transmission-rate-in-the-uk-12458214

He has been one of the more sensible members, who has not given into political pressure.

DH has just said that MP’s are now going to have to wear face masks in parliament. Rees Mogg is going to look silly.

Don't forget the Deaths total is a running total coming up to it's third winter. Normally each year has it's own totals.

Of course it is good that the number of reported cases has reduced compared with last week, but as that is what was predicted because of the impact of the half term break, it’s too early to assume the trend will continue - although we all hope it will. We have another review in Wales in three weeks. The regulations were tightened last week, and the FM has already said they will be tightened again if there is a further increase, which implies that is what they are anticipating.

It is good news that the UK figures are going in the right direction but before deciding whether or no to wear a mask, use hand sanitiser and keep 2m apart, you must look at the figures for you own local area. Last week our local area had an infection rate two and a half times the national average.

Gabrielle56

varian

Imposing mask wearing in shops, crowded indoor settings and on public transport does no harm to the economy. It is a sensible precaution. Win win.

Totally agree. Were wearing masks again indoors after an initial dropping them after measures relaxing, I don't see the problem Tbh? I wouldn't think anyone's in a shop etc for longer than an hour max under normal circs usually about 10-30 mins for a shopping list? If mask wearing didn't have any benefits, then why were we all taught to cover our mouths/faces when we coughed/sneezed as kids?!? I think indoor masking s/b mandatory for winter at least to keep other nasties ,coughs/colds/flu etc at bay too. I also feel that if "restrictions" were re-christened as " protection measures" instead ,the feeling of being forced to do something may leave the collective psyche and go some way to shutting up the "what about my civil rights?" Bunch. After all we all wear seatbelts/stop at a red light/ give way at junctions to keep us and othe rs safe! What's the difference?!?

Good point.

Today’s U.K. figures, 7,000 less than last Tuesday!

Is that the Jenny Harries who said PPE shortages were due to NHS staff using them incorrectly or overusing them (or something like that).

Jenny Harries has been criticised by the Office for Statistics Regulation for the reporting of the data on positive cases of those who are vaccinated/unvaccinated and notes that the data has been used to support an argument that vaccines are ineffective:

osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/correspondence/ed-humpherson-to-dr-jenny-harries-covid-19-vaccine-surveillance-statistics/

People are more likely to test positive and possibly die if they are unvaccinated, but the way data was presented didn't give that impression.

varian

Imposing mask wearing in shops, crowded indoor settings and on public transport does no harm to the economy. It is a sensible precaution. Win win.

Totally agree. Were wearing masks again indoors after an initial dropping them after measures relaxing, I don't see the problem Tbh? I wouldn't think anyone's in a shop etc for longer than an hour max under normal circs usually about 10-30 mins for a shopping list? If mask wearing didn't have any benefits, then why were we all taught to cover our mouths/faces when we coughed/sneezed as kids?!? I think indoor masking s/b mandatory for winter at least to keep other nasties ,coughs/colds/flu etc at bay too. I also feel that if "restrictions" were re-christened as " protection measures" instead ,the feeling of being forced to do something may leave the collective psyche and go some way to shutting up the "what about my civil rights?" Bunch. After all we all wear seatbelts/stop at a red light/ give way at junctions to keep us and othe rs safe! What's the difference?!?

Thanks for posting the link Pippa.

As well as that if you tested positively for COVID, recovered and three days later were killed in a car crash, it would be treated as a death from COVID. M0nica Mon 01-Nov-21 13:39:53

I am coming back to this because I am very concerned about misinformation being spread on this forum. I have a "not in my name" feeling about it.

There is an article and video about how to react to misinformation, here. It suggests:

1. First ask where the information is coming from.
2. Pause before you share or reply.
3. Fact check the information.
4. Let others know if posts or articles contain misinformation so everyone can access the facts.

So, looking at the claim made above

1. We have no information about where the claim comes from.
2. This is my "pause and think" reply.
3. When fact-checked I found this article which shows this is misinformation. It is from the ONS
4. I am not sure if just saying this is misinformation on here is enough. This is not the first time this particular suggestion has been spread. Perhaps GNHQ should have a rule?

I don't have any argument with that Cunco.

The thing that worried me about my grandson was when he said when he was back at school he couldn’t concentrate on his lessons ie brain fog. Plus headaches and tiredness and anosmia. I haven’t asked recently but they did have a mini break last weekend and he looked ok in the photos. I’ve had friends with ME and had hoped that studying long covid would help them, too.

The importance of vaccination was been underlined by an ONS study just released noting: 'Unvaccinated people in England were 32 times more likely to die of COVID-19 than those who have been fully vaccinated.' This reflected data from 2 January to 24 September 2021.

A previous ONS study reported: 'In total, there were 256 breakthrough deaths between 2 January and 2 July 2021.'

A "breakthrough death" is defined as a death involving COVID-19 that occurred in someone who had received both vaccine doses and had a first positive PCR test at least 14 days after the second vaccination dose.'

As previously noted, a death involving COVID-19 often occurs where the patient has a pre-existing condition and is over 75 years old.

Infection rates are currently relatively high in secondary school children but low among people 75 of over.

MayBee70

Someone in The Times a couple of weeks ago said that most people who said they were suffering from long covid weren’t. Made me think, yet again, how similar it is to ME.

I honestly don't know. However, it wouldn't surprise me if it gets shoved under the carpet as "all in the mind" or "shirking". I think there needs to be a serious study about Long Covid. We're approaching two years since the beginning of the pandemic, so there will be people who are still suffering long-term after effects. The children's author, Michael Rosen, is one of them. In his case, Covid affected hie sight and hearing. There are people who have more than a vague feeling of fatigue.

Someone in The Times a couple of weeks ago said that most people who said they were suffering from long covid weren’t. Made me think, yet again, how similar it is to ME.

Off topic, but interesting, an article about fraudulent scientific papers:

cosmosmagazine.com/health/covid/data-detectives-ivermectin-studies/

It's a serious issue, especially as ivermectin has become the "cure" of choice for some anti-vaxxers and it's being sold over the counter in places where vaccinations aren't available.

I'm glad that Oxford has been given a grant to do a proper study.

I first became aware of some of the myths being circulated about drugs when there were scare stories early in the pandemic about ACE inhibitors and ARBs. It was known very early that Covid uses ACE2 receptors as its way of entering the system, so it seemed obvious there might be some connection. This was, thankfully, debunked because millions of people take ACE inhibitors for high blood pressure.

In my opinion, the worst scare-mongers are some of our newspapers (mentioning no names but they're very popular). One of them in particular acts as a kind of "champion" of health but has some very suspect articles, littered with "ifs" and "coulds". There are also some very influential writers/doctors who contribute and more people listen to them than they ever do to Dr John Campbell.