COVID cases on the brink of breaking 100k a day (Zoe Covid Study)

PippaZ

MayBee70

They do, thankfully, seem to be wearing masks thankfully. I really thought the pandemic would result in conferences being done by zoom though. It has to be the way forward.

Not just the pandemic MayBee. This is a conference on Climate Change. No wonder the younger generations are angry.

I feel very two faced in that I’m totally against the insulate britainers and how they’re protesting but I’m really behind Greta’s lot!

I believe I used the word Pippa because somebody claimed that most deaths were "with Covid" and not "of Covid".

kjmpde

Not rot at all. Many people die with heart disease not due to heart disease, die with cancer but not because of cancer. My brother died due to the Covid vaccine so should his death be reported due to Covid? I had no reaction to the vaccine

Who said what was "rot" kjmpde. I can't find anyone saying it.

MayBee70

They do, thankfully, seem to be wearing masks thankfully. I really thought the pandemic would result in conferences being done by zoom though. It has to be the way forward.

Not just the pandemic MayBee. This is a conference on Climate Change. No wonder the younger generations are angry.

Not rot at all. Many people die with heart disease not due to heart disease, die with cancer but not because of cancer. My brother died due to the Covid vaccine so should his death be reported due to Covid? I had no reaction to the vaccine

MayBee70

That’s great news about Oxford. As for the WHO, the way they have dealt with this pandemic right from the start has been shambolic. They even went to Wuhan and weren’t allowed to check the laboratory where the virus may have originated from. Didn’t close borders or say it was a pandemic till it had covered the globe. Advised against mask wearing etc etc.

I absolutely agree with you Maybee, the way Covid was dealt with and covered up is disgraceful.

They do, thankfully, seem to be wearing masks thankfully. I really thought the pandemic would result in conferences being done by zoom though. It has to be the way forward.

I can't believe that this COP26 is going on they have seem to had forgotten about covid 25000 delegates are queuing up to get into the conference plus all the protestors outside it's very scary

M0nica

Patients are always being tested when they are in hospital. DH was in hospital for 8 weeks (nothing to do with COVID) and was constantly being testedfor COVID Anyone dieing on a ward while being treated for COVID will be registered as having died of COVID. And the majority of COVID deaths are not over 28 days later

As well as that if you tested positively for COVID, recovered and three days later were killed in a car crash, it would be treated as a death from COVID.

Nice try at respreading an old COVID conspriracy Stella but it will not wash, we have been through this one before.

As well as that if you tested positively for COVID, recovered and three days later were killed in a car crash, it would be treated as a death from COVID. M0nica Mon 01-Nov-21 13:39:53

That is not true. The truth does matter; misinformation like this should not be spread.

If someone died from the trauma of a car crash, that is what would be on their death certificate. If they had tested positive within 28 days of their death, the death certificate would say "with Covid". Butchering the truth doesn't change it.

Right this is my last post relating to Campbell, as the focus on one individual seems to becoming a tad excessive.

Campbell has mentioned and talked about the WHO advise and does not disagree with the findings..

Campbell himself directs people to read for themselves in his video.

For every apparent fraudulent report there are 10 others that are neither fraudulent and supportive of the use of ivermectin.

The point is that with a novel virus, every tool that can possibly help in the fight will be used. These may eventually give way to other more effective drugs, but when the NIH and agreed by the FDA shows that in 81 studies there is considerable evidence that ivermectin is a useful tool.

That’s great news about Oxford. As for the WHO, the way they have dealt with this pandemic right from the start has been shambolic. They even went to Wuhan and weren’t allowed to check the laboratory where the virus may have originated from. Didn’t close borders or say it was a pandemic till it had covered the globe. Advised against mask wearing etc etc.

growstuff it is perfectly possible for someone with COVID to die in a road accident or from a host of other causes within 28 days of a positive test. Quarantine times have varied from 10 - 14 days.

My DDiL (fully vaccinated) who has a faulty immune system had COVID three weeks ago. She felt very unwell for a week then recovered and was touring with her folk group as soon as quarantine ended., although for the first week they did spend nights in hotels rather than driving 100 miles home in the middle of the night, but she returned to that before the 28 days were up.

And some more details:

www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-06-23-ivermectin-be-investigated-possible-treatment-covid-19-oxford-s-principle-trial

I'm in a parallel universe, amn't I?

I'm away for my tea....

Lincslass

Pleased to say Oxford is doing research into the possible,or not,
benefits of Ivermectin. Dr John Campbell does extensive research into the evidence he reports on, why would he do anything to discredit himself. All the research he uses is available, via his links, to read for ourselves.

www.ascot-trial.edu.au/blogs/news/oxford-is-trialling-ivermectin-the-path-to-this-point-has-been-rocky-why

If anybody's interested in joining the Oxford trial, the details are here:

www.principletrial.org/

Pleased to say Oxford is doing research into the possible,or not,
benefits of Ivermectin. Dr John Campbell does extensive research into the evidence he reports on, why would he do anything to discredit himself. All the research he uses is available, via his links, to read for ourselves.

www.ascot-trial.edu.au/blogs/news/oxford-is-trialling-ivermectin-the-path-to-this-point-has-been-rocky-why

Whitewavemark2

Alegrias1

Growstuff, I really don't have grudges, but I am gobsmacked by some of the misinformation that appears on here and I can't keep my mouth shut. My cross to bear.

Things like this quote, for instance:

Campbell is aware of all this research that supports the use of ivermectin

I know Ivermectin is widely used, but as a treatment of parasitic infections. Not for Covid, there have been no studies that show its effective for Covid, and those that purport to have been shown to be fraudulent.

But he clearly doesn't like to be argued with. Hence the eyebrows.

Its dangerous that anyone with only partial knowledge of something sets himself up as an authority on it. I expect many people will come along now and tell me I'm wrong, but while he gave excellent information at the start of the pandemic, he has gone dangerously off-piste.

Campbell has been reporting on ivermectin for at least a year and he has pointed out numerous studies relating to its use for covid.

You are giving out incorrect information and like you I can’t keep my mouth shut. - not a phrase I would normally use tbh but there you go.

Your argument does not sit well, when it goes from the personal to a grudge to incorrect information.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I will be quite happy to read it, but not when it is wrapped in so called “I am a scientist, so I know better than others on this thread and should be believed even though I appear unwilling to back up my assertions with evidence”

Evidence:

Will the WHO suffice?

www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-advises-that-ivermectin-only-be-used-to-treat-covid-19-within-clinical-trials

Then there's the actual paper Campbell tries so hard to discredit.

www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01535-y

Quote: Since the above primary studies were published, many hundreds of thousands of patients have been dosed with ivermectin, relying on an evidence base that has substantially evaporated under close scrutiny.

Also this: www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/25/fraudulent-ivermectin-studies-open-up-new-battleground-between-science-and-misinformation

Example Quote: The paper was eventually retracted by the medical journal that published it after the data was found to have been falsified and the patients nonexistent.

bluekarma

But doctors and nurses are testing themselves via the lateral flow tests before they go to work on the ward etc so if it’s not so accurate they could be spreading covid. It’s just such a waste and dangerous

Indeed they could! And that's why some scientists have been criticising its use for ages. They're not being used for their intended purpose.

Alegrias I can only take your word for it that you don't have grudges, but it's the impression you give.

But doctors and nurses are testing themselves via the lateral flow tests before they go to work on the ward etc so if it’s not so accurate they could be spreading covid. It’s just such a waste and dangerous

Alegrias1

*Growstuff*, I really don't have grudges, but I am gobsmacked by some of the misinformation that appears on here and I can't keep my mouth shut. My cross to bear.

Things like this quote, for instance:

Campbell is aware of all this research that supports the use of ivermectin

I know Ivermectin is widely used, but as a treatment of parasitic infections. Not for Covid, there have been no studies that show its effective for Covid, and those that purport to have been shown to be fraudulent.

But he clearly doesn't like to be argued with. Hence the eyebrows.

Its dangerous that anyone with only partial knowledge of something sets himself up as an authority on it. I expect many people will come along now and tell me I'm wrong, but while he gave excellent information at the start of the pandemic, he has gone dangerously off-piste.

Campbell has been reporting on ivermectin for at least a year and he has pointed out numerous studies relating to its use for covid.

You are giving out incorrect information and like you I can’t keep my mouth shut. - not a phrase I would normally use tbh but there you go.

Your argument does not sit well, when it goes from the personal to a grudge to incorrect information.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I will be quite happy to read it, but not when it is wrapped in so called “I am a scientist, so I know better than others on this thread and should be believed even though I appear unwilling to back up my assertions with evidence”

Growstuff, I really don't have grudges, but I am gobsmacked by some of the misinformation that appears on here and I can't keep my mouth shut. My cross to bear.

Things like this quote, for instance:

Campbell is aware of all this research that supports the use of ivermectin

I know Ivermectin is widely used, but as a treatment of parasitic infections. Not for Covid, there have been no studies that show its effective for Covid, and those that purport to have been shown to be fraudulent.

But he clearly doesn't like to be argued with. Hence the eyebrows.

Its dangerous that anyone with only partial knowledge of something sets himself up as an authority on it. I expect many people will come along now and tell me I'm wrong, but while he gave excellent information at the start of the pandemic, he has gone dangerously off-piste.

We should learn to live with Covid now we have the vaccine and you cannot expect people in work to test every week. Some employers do not pay their staff if they are absent so how are staff supposed to pay their bills. We have the vaccine so let's just treat it like the flu

I also think that hyperbole does not sit well with your apparent argument.

Alegrias1

There have been at least half a dozen fraudulent reports about the effectiveness of Ivermectin. When the vast majority of active health researchers are telling you that a drug is not effective, carrying on with a crusade about how it could be is counterproductive. Like I said before, not a freedom fighter, but irresponsible.

Discrediting people who are actually doing research in this area and insinuating that there is an effective cure that the drug companies are covering up, is not just counterproductive, its dangerous nonsense.

If you make comments like “fraudulent reports” and that “the vast majority of researchers are saying the drug is ineffective”
You need to provide clear evidence.

I assume you would not expect us to take your word for your assertions