COVID cases on the brink of breaking 100k a day (Zoe Covid Study)

Oh yes I remember that.

He is talking about a couple of BBC journalists who have based their advise regarding ivermectin on a study with a lead author being a student.

I must say that at the time I was surprised as we know that there are numerous other, peer reviewed studies regarding the efficacy of this drug including a study on the NIH website, The FDA who used and many many others.

Campbell is aware of all this research that supports the use of ivermectin and I absolutely agree with him that the two journalists were wrong not to mention the research by eminent scientists that supports its use nor the fact that 1.3bn people have taken it, with few side effects.

I am unclear why you mentioned his eyebrows ?

I'm not sure what he has said about the use of Fluvoxamine for Covid patients, but there have been clinical trials which have had positive outcomes. This kind of thing is going on all the time and the results are in the public domain. It's not unusual for a drug to be used for a different purpose. Aspirin is a classic example.

I agree with you MayBee about showing a breakdown of the people who die. It's true that age is the biggest risk factor for dying from Covid, but the implication in some posts is that these people don't matter.

Alegria You seriously give the impression of a person with personal grudges against certain people who comment on Covid.

There have been at least half a dozen fraudulent reports about the effectiveness of Ivermectin. When the vast majority of active health researchers are telling you that a drug is not effective, carrying on with a crusade about how it could be is counterproductive. Like I said before, not a freedom fighter, but irresponsible.

Discrediting people who are actually doing research in this area and insinuating that there is an effective cure that the drug companies are covering up, is not just counterproductive, its dangerous nonsense.

Alegrias1

I watched the latest Dr Campbell video, as MayBee70 asked me if I understood why she found the first part of the video reassuring. Dr Campbell used a paper to show that most people who were affected by breakthrough infections were either old or had co-morbidities. When other people say that they get piled onto. Not Dr C though. He's allowed to say that.

In a previous video, Dr Campbell railed against a paper showing why Ivermectin doesn't work. The lead author of the paper was a student, and Dr C thought that was awful, that's not what you'd expect from a lead author, so he discredited the paper. The lead author of the paper he relies on to talk about breakthrough infections?

A student.

He's maybe not so impartial as you might think.

I think people pile in when there are comments saying that it’s old people and people with co morbidities that get seriously ill and die therefore it doesn’t matter and that shouldn’t stop younger people from living normal lives. I don’t think people pile in when they’re just shown a chart breaking down the age and health status of people that are being hospitalised after being vaccinated. One of the first things I did when Dr John showed charts of those adversely affected last year was lose weight. I don’t think that was due to him giving out dangerous information. There’s surely nothing wrong at looking at medicines that are currently used for other things to see if they help with covid. Look at the anti depressant he mentioned the other day. I did dispense drugs for a long time so do have a bit of knowledge about them and most of what he says makes sense to me if only from a common sense point of view. He does say that it isn’t in the best interest of the drug companies to find a miracle drug for covid that only costs pennies and I tend to agree with him but usually keep it to myself because it makes me look like a covid denying anti vacc’er. Which I’m not.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy7c_FHiEac

4 minutes in. Watch the eyebrows.

He's a bit upset.

HannahLoisLake here’s the FullFact article explaining the reasons behind the rise in vaccinated patients to hospital compared to unvaccinated.
fullfact.org/health/economist-vaccination-status/
According to the ONS update provided today an unvaccinated person is 32 times more likely to die from the virus.

Campbell has done numerous videos mentioning Ivermectin.

Which one are you talking about?

I watched the latest Dr Campbell video, as MayBee70 asked me if I understood why she found the first part of the video reassuring. Dr Campbell used a paper to show that most people who were affected by breakthrough infections were either old or had co-morbidities. When other people say that they get piled onto. Not Dr C though. He's allowed to say that.

In a previous video, Dr Campbell railed against a paper showing why Ivermectin doesn't work. The lead author of the paper was a student, and Dr C thought that was awful, that's not what you'd expect from a lead author, so he discredited the paper. The lead author of the paper he relies on to talk about breakthrough infections?

A student.

He's maybe not so impartial as you might think.

HannahLoisLuke

There’s a difference between testing positive and being ill with Covid and that’s down to vaccination. The medics in my family tell me that 98% of those in hospital with it are unvaccinated.
I think we have to accept that Covid is with us now and we should just get our annual jab and get on with life with of course taking sensible precautions.

The medics in your family are wrong. An increasing number of those in hospital with Covid are vaccinated. It is, however, true that a person is more likely to be seriously ill if he/she hasn't been vaccinated.

But I'm sure you'll admit that some people do die after the 28 day cut-off period and that it's highly unlikely that somebody would die in a car crash just after testing positively for Covid - look up the figures for the number who die in car crashes.

They probably balance out the number who die in hospital from something completely unrelated to Covid.

Nice try from you too, MOnica, the denialists have been using it for ages.

Patients are always being tested when they are in hospital. DH was in hospital for 8 weeks (nothing to do with COVID) and was constantly being testedfor COVID Anyone dieing on a ward while being treated for COVID will be registered as having died of COVID. And the majority of COVID deaths are not over 28 days later

As well as that if you tested positively for COVID, recovered and three days later were killed in a car crash, it would be treated as a death from COVID.

Nice try at respreading an old COVID conspriracy Stella but it will not wash, we have been through this one before.

In case the nay sayers haven’t noticed, since very early in the pandemic, the UK have only been counting deaths in people who tested positive within the past 28 days. The majority die long after that and they don’t test again after confirmation once they have arrived in hospital. The death rate is hugely higher than the official statistics suggest!

Double vaccinated people with co morbidities are still at risk of severe illness and, sadly dying. Getting on with life must also mean doing everything possible in our own way to protect the vulnerable. We’re all in this together.

Back to the fact that there are many ways people translate "living with Covid" HannahLoisLuke and not everyone agrees with everyone else; that will include yours (and mine).

Interestingly, we do not have a government definition as it suits them not to take responsibility. I cannot see how we can move forward with this in any way when we all make it up as we go. It's the usual badly done and inefficient decision to protect their chances in the next election. They simply don't govern with the will of the people, they only electioneer.

There’s a difference between testing positive and being ill with Covid and that’s down to vaccination. The medics in my family tell me that 98% of those in hospital with it are unvaccinated.
I think we have to accept that Covid is with us now and we should just get our annual jab and get on with life with of course taking sensible precautions.

Sorry if I'm late to the party but ... last year, the Government claimed in their reporting of case numbers and testing that - for the sake of argument 50,000 tests had been carried out in a day. railman Mon 01-Nov-21 11:39:39

I think many find the government efficiency level suspect. That's why it's interesting to get figures that they don't control.

You could be right about Glasgow. The man doesn't seem to understand what "the truth" means. If that is the case, I wonder if we will see a spike afterwards. Or will they make sure the reporting or once again their bête noir (or would that be our bête noir?) of testing could be manipulated to provide the "right" figures.

I think they have long since stopped "following the science". I do realise this may be an exaggeration. If so, it is because they have put me in a position where I have an extreme lack of trust in those leading this Government. Not very good for a government in an emergency

railman

MerylStreep

Whitewavemark2
You ask why the term nurse educator are used.
Those are his own words on his LinkedIn page.

Yes - but does he have an HGV licence?

I had to take my car for it’s MOT today. I got stuck in a traffic jam on the way because a lorry driver was struggling to reverse his lorry down a side road in one of the villages. All I could think of was the government deciding that new lorry drivers didn’t need to pass a test in reversing! That’ll be fun….

PCR tests are far more accurate than lateral flow tests I believe. A LFT picked up my grandsons covid before he showed symptoms and a PCR test was positive. It stopped him going on to infect other people. DD did LFT’s every so often and, as the virus ran it’s course it became weaker and weaker. She sent me pictures of it saying ‘this proves that LFT’s work’.

But are the lateral flow tests accurate. I’ve been told that they arent by my good friend who is having chemotherapy. Her chemo doctor told her this. Yet this is the one that the one doctors and nurses etc take before they go on the ward!!!!
My son had covid ( the only one in the family that got it) After 12 days he took a lateral flow test which proved negative. He booked his flight and children’s flights back to his place of work and had to do a PCR test 2 days before he went back. He took it. The kids were negative and he was still positive so had to cancel his flight back. If both tests were accurate surely they should have both shown the same results.

MerylStreep

Whitewavemark2
You ask why the term nurse educator are used.
Those are his own words on his LinkedIn page.

Yes - but does he have an HGV licence?

Sorry if I'm late to the party but ... last year, the Government claimed in their reporting of case numbers and testing that - for the sake of argument 50,000 tests had been carried out in a day.

But - they were including tests that had been posted to people, but not actually carried out.

They have a history of filling figures to suit their political ends in this pandemic.

I don't have any expertise in statistics, their recording or analysis but I am suspicious of this Government, they prefer not to answer questions, and hide information that should be public. We the public were conned in summer 2020 with Sunak's idiotic "eat out to help out" scheme, and I do wonder if in terms of comparing case numbers today, we are being conned in order for the Johnson gang to "show off" in Glasgow.

I will just leave this here.

Well said American pie. As you say the vaccine deosn't stop us from getting the virus or passing it on. Bear in mind that a less vigorous immunity is also to do with having been locked up for so long. Fear is the biggest factor in creating anxiety and worsening mental health. Whatever happens, a positive attitude does help, I find.

Would you like to provide a link to that MerylStreep. I notice you haven't. I can only find, what seems to be an outdated LinkedIn profile as he is now semi-retired (it isn't used there). Perhaps you have found a more up to date one.

MerylStreep

Whitewavemark2
You ask why the term nurse educator are used.
Those are his own words on his LinkedIn page.

Yes I know.