COVID cases on the brink of breaking 100k a day (Zoe Covid Study)

the extrapolate to extrapolate

MayBee

Before you go, maybe you can explain to everyone else on here how the nurse educator is really good at using other people's data and pretending he has something to do with it, has an obsession about aspiration and has suddenly become very defensive about the BBC questioning his veracity. Alegrias1 [Sun 31-Oct-21 16:11:26]

It seems odd that someone intent on convincing us of her academic qualifications - but not telling us what they are - thinks it strange for an educator the extrapolate from verifiable data. Isn't it an academics and lecturers job to be able to interpret other people's data and present it in a way that aids the understanding of others? That he does it in such an accessible way is to his credit and is probably why he has done as well as he has. Sadly, none of us on here have his level of background knowledge and ability in this subject, as far as I can see, so it is useful that he, and all the others we refer to, have chosen to share with others at this time.

I have no idea of your education or your career Alegrais but you seem to expect everyone to believe what you say. This man's education and career are out there for all to see. I admire the inquisitive mind and the continual acquisition of knowledge he has shown. I think it's appalling that you suggest he makes out "he has something to do with it". Like all good academics, he refers to his source. That comment must edge on libel. And after the "nurse-educator" put-down, let's have your qualifications and academic background to see how it compares when we are talking fact not tasteless attempts to denigrate.

MayBee70
I believe you said some time ago that you wanted to live a normal life. And yet from your posts it indicates that your life revolves around covid which looks like it is controlling you.

I’m at breaking point because of my missing, possibly stolen passport and not being able to speak to anyone at the passport office having been on the phone three times for an hour and then being cut off! Two days running. Which is all down to the inefficiency of this pathetic government. And having to watch that scruffy scarecrow buffoon of a PM representing me on the world stage.Dr John is a beacon of sanity in my world at the moment. I feel that I have more control over covid ( thanks to said Dr) than my missing possibly stolen passport. And that’s saying something!

Alegrias1
got any more Meryl Streep
I don’t think you need my contribution. Your doing very well.

growstuff
As someone stated that they are at breaking point and still reading this thread I won’t be posting my thoughts on the nurse educator

The ⅘ in above post was supposed to be four-fifths but appeared differently.

growstuff

Has anybody else read the JCVI minutes, which have just been released? They confirm that the intention was/is to infect children in an attempt to achieve herd immunity. One member refers to schools as an "opportunity" for children to be infected.

Well, if that was the intent it seems to be working round here.
⅘ of one of the DGC's class were off before half-term, either with Covid, isolating because a sibling had it or feeling unwell and waiting for PCR test results.
That is after the debacle with false negative PCR results being sent out.

Perhaps half-term will prove to have been a 'firebreak'.

Maybee you must be worried, I hope your grandson improves soon.

You're correct Maybee70, Campbell , not Spector.

Thank you for the link Daisymae[Sun 31-Oct-21 15:07:42]. It's good to listen to someone who knows the subject inside and out.

If not reporting is part of the problem, I am not surprised. So many people think they know everything simply because there has been such little leadership from the government.

Thanks also to growstuff [Sun 31-Oct-21 15:39:03], for the link to the article in the BMJ. As this also discusses possible reasons for the difference between the ZOE and official figures. The experts to see good reasons to ask questions about these anomalies.

It also comments on the poor work at some labs - typical of how this government has run things, sadly.

Growstuffs report [Sun 31-Oct-21 15:33:58] on the attitude to herd immunity mentioned in the JCVI minutes just saps me of any confidence I had left in this government, I'm afraid.

I worry that we could get a sudden uptick in the figures reporting deaths and hospitalisations. I am afraid we will get to a point where there are a large number who no longer trust the government or its figures because of their poor management of this area - and that doesn't bear thinking about. That is not scaremongering. We have all seen, very recently, what happens if a small but "big enough" part of the population lose confidence in the government.

He isn’t undermining the public’s faith in the medical profession. No one has advocated the need for vaccinations as much as he has. Also mask wearing last year.

growstuff

Alegrias1

Thank you GG13.

I'm not an epidemiologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I know exaggeration and misinterpreted data when I see it.

MerylStreep, I agree with you.

But he hasn't exaggerated, has he?

He's commented on a disparity, which was surprising because generally his data has been consistent with the ONS data.So what's happened to knock the two sets of data out of synch?

PS. It's obvious you're not an epidemiologist.

Ouf, I haven't got long enough...

Over 20% of English 12-15 year olds have been vaccinated (sorry, don't have the stats for the other countries), which is good news. Just the other 80% to go ... This should be reflected in case numbers soon.

growstuff

How on earth has Spector damaged people's minds? There are far more worthy candidates for that accusation.

I think they think it’s Dr John that’s poisoned people’s minds. Which is probably why I’m a fruitcake at the moment …..

growstuff

How on earth has Spector damaged people's minds? There are far more worthy candidates for that accusation.

Planting ideas about how they should be aspirating vaccinations, when even on here health professionals were showing how it was not useful.

Continually pushing the fact that Ivermectin is worth investigating, when all the studies done so far show it's useless. Hence undermining people's faith in the medical establishment.

Pretending that the BBC report on Ivermectin was biased and incorrect, that the reporters didn't know what they were talking about. Undermining the scientific views about this quack cure.

Now, pretending that the government are lying about the case rate in the UK.

Got any more MerylStreep?

Alegrias1

Thank you GG13.

I'm not an epidemiologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I know exaggeration and misinterpreted data when I see it.

MerylStreep, I agree with you.

But he hasn't exaggerated, has he?

He's commented on a disparity, which was surprising because generally his data has been consistent with the ONS data.So what's happened to knock the two sets of data out of synch?

PS. It's obvious you're not an epidemiologist.

MerylStreep

MayBee70
You said that you were at breaking point so I think it’s best that I don’t explain my observations, don’t you?

I'm not at breaking point, so go on! Explain!

How on earth has Spector damaged people's minds? There are far more worthy candidates for that accusation.

I do believe that cult following is dangerous, though….

MayBee70
You said that you were at breaking point so I think it’s best that I don’t explain my observations, don’t you?

MerylStreep

^he’s not a freedom fighter, he’s irresponsible^
I believe he has done untold damage to peoples minds.

Good grief. How has he damaged people’s minds?

Thank you GG13.

I'm not an epidemiologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I know exaggeration and misinterpreted data when I see it.

MerylStreep, I agree with you.

No one is an expert in this virus and I don’t think anyone pretends to be. All of us, even the scientists, are learning on the hoof.

Unfortunately one of the downsides of the Covid-19 pandemic is that is has bred many many epidemiology experts armchair and otherwise.

Alegrias1 I have learnt a,lot,from your posts.

He’s been a lifeline to me, my family and many other people over the past twenty months.