Austria puts unvaccinated into lockdown

Apparently Austria have now gone a step further making vaccinations mandatory from February 2022
Wonder how well that will work out don’t believe any other country has done this

Katie59

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Baggs

Well said, alegrias

Well they are in a substantial minority because in the UK 88% of those over 12 have been vaccinated that leaves 12% irresponsible. But I guess there will always be the fantasists that think they know best.

88.1% of those over 12 have had one dose.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Only 23.5% of over 12s have had a third or booster dose. Most under 17 year olds aren't even eligible yet for a second dose. Until schools broke up for half term, it was the younger age group who were driving infections. They're hardly irresponsible, nor are the older people who are immunosuppressed or whose initial immunity has waned.

There are a hardcore of vaccine refusers that are irresponsible, no not all have had 2 doses but at least they accept the system.
There might be a few that have a medical reason not to be vaccinated, they are quite likely isolating properly already.

We have our “freedom” limited by all sorts of laws and regulations, vaccinations should be no different, refuse and there is a penalty.

That's not the point I was making.

Germany are cracking down with a lower infection rate (312 per 100,000 than at we have had at any point since August in the UK.

Slovakia also imposing lockdown on unvaccinated and Germany cracking down too!

inews.co.uk/news/world/germany-slovakia-crack-down-unvaccinated-europe-covid-rates-rapidly-rise-1305036

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Well said, alegrias

Well they are in a substantial minority because in the UK 88% of those over 12 have been vaccinated that leaves 12% irresponsible. But I guess there will always be the fantasists that think they know best.

88.1% of those over 12 have had one dose.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Only 23.5% of over 12s have had a third or booster dose. Most under 17 year olds aren't even eligible yet for a second dose. Until schools broke up for half term, it was the younger age group who were driving infections. They're hardly irresponsible, nor are the older people who are immunosuppressed or whose initial immunity has waned.

There are a hardcore of vaccine refusers that are irresponsible, no not all have had 2 doses but at least they accept the system.
There might be a few that have a medical reason not to be vaccinated, they are quite likely isolating properly already.

We have our “freedom” limited by all sorts of laws and regulations, vaccinations should be no different, refuse and there is a penalty.

We should copy Austria. Those who willfully refuse vaccination, not because of legitimate medical reasons, but because they are either stupid or have been brainwashed by the evil anti-vaxxers need to be given a good reason to see sense and get jabbed.

Katie59

Baggs

Well said, alegrias

Well they are in a substantial minority because in the UK 88% of those over 12 have been vaccinated that leaves 12% irresponsible. But I guess there will always be the fantasists that think they know best.

88.1% of those over 12 have had one dose.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Only 23.5% of over 12s have had a third or booster dose. Most under 17 year olds aren't even eligible yet for a second dose. Until schools broke up for half term, it was the younger age group who were driving infections. They're hardly irresponsible, nor are the older people who are immunosuppressed or whose initial immunity has waned.

How do you know that they are irresponsible? Especially as you don't even seem to know that its 80% of everybody over 12 that have been fully vaccinated? Maybe some medical person on here can come along and tell us how spectacularly successful a rate like that is for vaccine programs.

Not only are they irresponsible, they are also fantasists, are they?

Or maybe they are medically unsuitable for the vaccines. Or maybe they are frightened of them. Or maybe they are bullied by members of their families.

But sure, calling them irresponsible fantasists will definitely get them to change their minds about being vaccinated.

Baggs

Well said, alegrias

Well they are in a substantial minority because in the UK 88% of those over 12 have been vaccinated that leaves 12% irresponsible. But I guess there will always be the fantasists that think they know best.

Well said, alegrias

If you are a responsible person you reduce the risk to others, either get vaccinated or accept the restrictions.

Well that's the choice that is being offered to people in Austria etc., and already we are seeing the result, that people think its either/or.

But there are other options; educate people properly in the benefits? Spend time explaining why they are being asked to do it? Work on having a government system that people trust?

Or, banish the thought, gear up the health services properly to deal with the challenges we now face?

But its much easier and quicker to tell people that they have to stay at home and make the vaccinated think that they are doing everything right, and that the reason the rates are rising is "the others".

Alegrias1

At the beginning of Covid we stayed at home because we had no idea what was going to happen. It bought us time.

Now, 20 months on, if the message is still "stay at home", then something's gone badly wrong.

If someone's neighbour is stupid and ignorant, is making them stay at home going to cure their stupidity and ignorance, or is it going to entrench their ideas that the government is trying to control their lives, while making all us vaccinated people feel superior and saintly?

If you're vaccinated, you don't have the choice either about whether you infect somebody, the risk doesn't become zero.

And authoritarian measures are always brought in when we're not in "normal circumstances". Then strangely the measures never go away.

No it does not reduce the risk to zero, just like obeying a speed limit, it does reduce the risk a great deal. If you are a responsible person you reduce the risk to others, either get vaccinated or accept the restrictions.

Actually, not all unvaccinated people are more likely to be careful. Many of them (according to the media, which I admit is not always trustworthy) don’t believe the vaccine helps and say that they have carried on as usual and not caught Covid, so they must be right.
Some, like an unvaccinated colleague are being more careful. She is expecting to work from home and refusing to come into work until Covid is over.

Unvaccinated people are more likely to be careful as they are in more danger than others to be ill if they do contract it.

Maybe they will be more careful, maybe they won’t be. We don’t know whether they’ll be more careful or not. If they believe some of the rubbish on social media, or spouted by some anti vaxxers, they won’t be more careful, because some people believe the whole Covid crisis has been fabricated in order to control us and Covid doesn’t exist, Others believe that a chip has been inserted into the vaccine so government can track us. Others don’t want to be told what to do. Others can’t be bothered to get a vaccine. Others think that they won’t be ill even if they do get Covid. Others think natural immunity is superior and they don’t need a vaccine because they’ve already had Covid, or are hoping to get Covid. The list of reasons is endless, but none of them appear to show that unvaccinated people would be more careful.

When words like selfish, stupid, ignorant are used so freely it is worrying and one can see how this could lead to sections of society being treated like pariahs.

Vaccinated people can still transmit the virus.

Unvaccinated people are more likely to be careful as they are in more danger than others to be ill if they do contract it.

I have a stupid, ignorant neighbour who says she won't be vaccinated until they pay her to do it. If she can't go on holiday, to a concert, nightclub or restaurant - I don't care.

Perhaps she doesn't care about not being able to go on holiday, to a concert, nightclub or restaurant either.

Touching faith Josianne.

rosie1959

Perhaps we haven’t got it so wrong in England so many ways being tried of going around this virus perhaps the only way is to go through it with as many vaccinations as possible
France for instance with all its regulations and cases are now rising

Finally, a poster who understands that each and every country will ultimately do what is right for THEM and what works for THEM.

Perhaps we haven’t got it so wrong in England so many ways being tried of going around this virus perhaps the only way is to go through it with as many vaccinations as possible
France for instance with all its regulations and cases are now rising

Alegrias1 good post, I totally agree.

At the beginning of Covid we stayed at home because we had no idea what was going to happen. It bought us time.

Now, 20 months on, if the message is still "stay at home", then something's gone badly wrong.

If someone's neighbour is stupid and ignorant, is making them stay at home going to cure their stupidity and ignorance, or is it going to entrench their ideas that the government is trying to control their lives, while making all us vaccinated people feel superior and saintly?

If you're vaccinated, you don't have the choice either about whether you infect somebody, the risk doesn't become zero.

And authoritarian measures are always brought in when we're not in "normal circumstances". Then strangely the measures never go away.

The restrictions are the same as we had at the beginning of Covid, if you are not vaccinated there are restrictions on your movement to reduce the chance of spreading disease. It was done to avoid overwhelming the health service, now we have vaccines there is still the risk of serious infection in vaccinated people.
We have the choice wether to get vaccinated, we should not have to choice to infect others, either accept the restrictions or get vaccinated

TerriBull, I fully agree that the measures seem draconian - and smack of a police state. Under normal circumstances, I'd be all for freedom of choice and against restrictions. These aren't normal circumstances, though - very far from it.

I have a stupid, ignorant neighbour who says she won't be vaccinated until they pay her to do it. If she can't go on holiday, to a concert, nightclub or restaurant - I don't care.

`--with Germany-- they haven't followed suit yet, meant to say that.

I'm fully vaccinated with booster, nevertheless the road Austria has gone down with Germany, seems draconian to me. I do think maybe there should be more insistence on wearing masks inside shops and on public transport. I believe Germany is battling a virulent 4th wave and they are also considering implementing the stringent restrictions that Austria have done. I still think asking the unvaccinated not to leave their homes is a step too far and smacks of a police state. I'd rather restrict access to businesses where they would certainly present a threat such as the hairdressers, as highlighted up thread and which I suppose would be anywhere really where one might find themselves in close proximity to others, pretty much most indoor shops, particularly in the run up to Christmas. The onus would of course be on the unvaccinated to rely on deliveries or someone else dropping off groceries which might be a real problem. Ideally, everyone would get themselves vaccinated in the situation the world finds itself in, but I don't think a free society can make that mandatory.