Austria puts unvaccinated into lockdown

So sorry Hetty58 such a tragic loss of a young life

So very sorry for your loss. I do the same, two in my family are immunosuppressed, all have had vaccine, even a 15 year . Anything to protect them, and others, who if they succumb to Covid may well die. Better to try and be safe than not.

Rosie 1959:

'I have had friends who have caught Covid after vaccination but none particularly elderly or vulnerable none have become ill This vaccination is to protect us from that.'

NO - this vaccination is to protect everyone, not just ourselves.

For your information, she was double vaccinated, with no underlying health problems - but South Korean. There is a South Asian gene that increases the risk of serious illness or death from Covid. Do you realise how large SA is? All these people are at extra risk.

songstress60:

'I NEVER self-test'

Can't you see just how selfish that is?

I regularly self-test - just in case - before I socialise or visit anyone. I just couldn't live with myself if I passed Covid on to somebody else.

'let's treat Covid like a cold'

It's not just a cold, it's a potential killer to anyone with suppressed immunity and/or an underlying condition.

Maybe you haven't lost anyone to it. We're coping with a young father and three small children who've lost their dear mother and unborn baby brother. She was only 41.

It’s a really hard one ! Part of me understands the reasons behind, (though not so sure it will work), the rest of me is appalled ! I think it’s a bit of a knee jerk reaction to rising cases.

Vaccines never did and never will entirely stop the spread nor catching it but in time cases will be far lower as those fully vaccinated are less likely to become very unwell, will have a milder version and be unwell for less time and to be honest those who bother to be vaccinated are far more likely not to go out if feeling unwell and more likely to still take precautions such as a combination of masks, social distancing, better and more frequent hygiene. Let’s not forgot the thousands and thousands dead and their loved ones left behind !

Look back to other diseases that vaccines ultimately helped eradicate such as small pox and diphtheria and polio.

It's now looking as if Germany will be doing something similar to Austria.

I am sorting of 50/50 with you songstress I also do not want another lockdown which actually is quite unlikely but I will not stop seeing family again. Life is actually more or less back to normal
I do self test for obvious reasons it’s not difficult I rarely go anywhere that’s particularly crowded so very occasionally put on a mask I certainly don’t bother in restaurants ect
Getting my booster tomorrow which should increase protection enough to carry us over the busy social period of Christmas
I have had friends who have caught Covid after vaccination but none particularly elderly or vulnerable none have become ill This vaccination is to protect us from that. If I carried on thinking I could get really sick or die I would never do anything

Songstress60 just proves my point. Sadly I think figures are rising as people think the vaccine will protect them from catching Covid and turn it into a cold. Unfortunately this is not the case and vaccinated people are still dying. Elderly double or triple vaccinated are dying and others have serious complications. My DGS's teacher was double vaccinated and now has long covid. Been off work for 2 months.

Covid isn't just a cold though is it. Some people, even though they have been vaccinated will still get covid and although most will have a mild dose and will recover, some will not. I cannot understand why people will not get vaccinated. They talk about their choice and their rights but what about their responsibility to other, more vulnerable people. It's the height of selfishness to me.

I don't understand the big thing about wearing masks either. It's no big thing. We all want full freedom and no restrictions but until covid is under control we can't have everything we want. I want my vulnerable relatives to be as safe as possible.

That’s a silly thing to say songstress60, as you won’t be deciding whether or not there’s another lockdown. Life won’t be back to normal for months, particularly if people behave as irresponsibly as you are doing.

My friend who has had three jabs has covid. She is feeling very ill. I hope that doesn't happen to you ss60

It protects other people, but I will not tolerate another lockdown here, in fact I will not stand for any more restrictions when most of us are now vaccinated. I just want life back to normal, and I NEVER self-test. Hey that's why I had the vaccine. I just want FULL freedom and no restrictions bringing back. I do not self-test nor do I wear a mask. If we all get vaccinated let's treat Covid like a cold.

Well said, Winterwhite. I totally agree with your post. I too would be out demonstrating, Alegrias1 I have never been more fearful than I am now. Most of us are of the generation whose parents and grandparents fought and died for our freedom. If we loss our freedom of choice and liberty now we will loss it for ever, is that what is wanted for our children and grandchildren! Just because someone chooses not to be vaccinated does not make them an ANTI-VAXXER. Take a serious look around the world anti lockdown/covid passports are being demonstrated against everywhere including Australia and New Zealand. Mind you, you wouldn't know it from the coverage on BBC or ITV, not a dickybird.

Sadly even the vaccinated can still spread the virus.
And catch it. As did a friend who is double vaccinated and was seriously ill from the virus and hospitalised.

Baggs

How does anyone know whether someone is vaccinated in Austria? Are they doing random checks? Asking for vaccine "passports"?

Yes the police are doing random checks on people . Fines from 500 to 1450 euros, or even more according to some news agencies.

How does anyone know whether someone is vaccinated in Austria? Are they doing random checks? Asking for vaccine "passports"?

Alegrias1

When we were in lockdown way back in 2020, what were the things we were allowed to do?

working, grocery shopping, going for a walk.

I don't like overuse of the word "lockdown" but this is, indeed, a lockdown.

True but nothing since the first lockdown has felt like lockdown to me, mainly because of the amount of traffic on the roads. During first lockdown the roads near us were extremely quiet, so much so that it was an event to see a vehicle on the road on t'other side of the loch. That road is usually, by local standards, quite busy. All subsequent lockdowns were not noticeable as far as road traffic went. I felt this on more major roads too the one time I did a longer journey than usual.

There seemed to be a lot more petty details attached to lockdown early on than there have been since.

The vaccine is a huge success.

Alegrias1

This vaccine is not a failure.

If you wanted perfection, then sorry, this is the real world.

Yes, I agree, this vaccine is not a failure. Very few vaccines are 100% effective, and the efficacy of these Covid vaccines is actually rather good.
We do agree on much Alegrias.

The Chancellor in GagaJo's link actually calls it "ein Lockdown", so he must mean it.

However, I don't think big pharma will come forward any time soon and admit this vaccine is a failure as too much money to lose.

I think it's worth noting here that unlike the other companies, Astra Zeneca have provided their vaccine to everyone from the start on a not-for-profit basis, and have said they will continue to do so for poorer countries next year, when they plan to move away from this policy and start to make a modest profit. They charge $4 to $8 a shot, compared to Pfizer's $18 to $19, and Moderna's $25 to $37.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59256223

When we were in lockdown way back in 2020, what were the things we were allowed to do?

working, grocery shopping, going for a walk.

I don't like overuse of the word "lockdown" but this is, indeed, a lockdown.

except for basic activities such as working, grocery shopping, going for a walk — or getting vaccinated.

That doesn't look like lockdown to me - it's just some restrictions - so probably pointless. The idea looks more like pressure to comply.

This vaccine is not a failure.

If you wanted perfection, then sorry, this is the real world.

I think what we need here is a vaccine that actually prevents infection instead of a witch hunt of those who chose not to have this one.
I'm double vaccinated but have virtually no faith in it preventing infection. Too many people in hospital who are double jabbed, high uptake in UK but infections rising, R rate similar to before vaccination etc. But I think a lot less are dying so that's something to be glad about. However, I don't think big pharma will come forward any time soon and admit this vaccine is a failure as too much money to lose.