UK’s over reaction to Omicron.

choughdancer

@Dickens; this was posted earlier today. It's a copy and paste 'link', to avoid the risk of direct clicking on links. I so wish I could post on here all the conversations on the profile I have been following; there is just so much like this!

www.bitchute.com/video/X6zCggwb6Z89/

The "Great Reset" was never intended to be about some new take over. Think back to the beginning of the pandemic. People started caring about each other a bit more and some were optimistic that there could be a more gentle way of doing things, with issues such as the environment and personal wellbeing being more important than economics.

Conspiracy theorists have hi-jacked some of the ideas to further their own ideas. Unfortunately, there are those who are persuaded by claptrap such as that video. Others have tried to analyse their motives.

It's not unpredictable, if people understand risk. Think of Russian Roulette. Somebody will get shot with live ammo, although the majority won't. Personally, I don't want to take that kind of risk.

I suppose Growstuff we will always be at risk to a certain extent and as you say nobody can live in a box for the indefinate future

rosie1959

Thank you Alegrias I will look
This virus whichever version seems so unpredictable
A few of my sons friends have tested positive via regular lateral flows they didn't even know they were ill apart from a slight case of the sniffles yet in some it requires hospitalisation

And that's precisely why everybody should consider themselves at risk, unless they live permanently in a box and don't have contact with anybody.

Alegrias1

If it wasn't for the vaccine and the booster, the number of 55+ people in hospital would be much higher. High numbers of that group are vaccinated, there's millions of them, so even if a small proportion get ill, that's still quite a high number. growstuff posted a great Venn diagram earlier this week that explained it really well.

And there's no inconsistency between most hospitalisations being in 55+ people who have been vaccinated, and ICU being full of unvaccinated young people. Maybe the 55+ vaccinated people go in for a couple of days and go home, the unvaccinated ones aren't so fortunate.

Exactly! I'll see if I can find that Venn diagram again. I can't remember where I found it, but there was a clear explanation which went with it.

Alegrias1

Common sense and encouraging words from Chris Whitty. (of course!)

news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-professor-chris-whitty-to-be-questioned-by-mps-on-omicron-as-a-million-could-be-isolating-with-covid-on-christmas-day-12469075?postid=3116651#liveblog-body

I find it interesting the headline is about warnings and huge numbers being admitted to hospital, while the content is a lot more informative. And encouraging.

That's quite a normal tactic. Unfortunately, quite a high percentage of people never read beyond the headline and possibly the first few sentences.

Yiayia70

We have got to learn to live with omicron, it will continue to mutate as does the flu virus. Get vaccinated and let’s get on with normality now.

And accept serious illness and death by not mitigating risk? Let's not!

Thank you Alegrias I will look
This virus whichever version seems so unpredictable
A few of my sons friends have tested positive via regular lateral flows they didn't even know they were ill apart from a slight case of the sniffles yet in some it requires hospitalisation

If it wasn't for the vaccine and the booster, the number of 55+ people in hospital would be much higher. High numbers of that group are vaccinated, there's millions of them, so even if a small proportion get ill, that's still quite a high number. growstuff posted a great Venn diagram earlier this week that explained it really well.

And there's no inconsistency between most hospitalisations being in 55+ people who have been vaccinated, and ICU being full of unvaccinated young people. Maybe the 55+ vaccinated people go in for a couple of days and go home, the unvaccinated ones aren't so fortunate.

Alegrias1

Because the vaccine is not 100% effective.

And because many of the people in hospital don't fall into the "vulnerable" category.

Although I did note that on the ONS hospitalisation is great in age 55 plus who should have been boosted by now

rosie1959

Does seem a little strange that now the vunerable have been boosted with vacination why there should be high hospital numbers

Think that is mainly due to unvaccinated younger people, and older ones too. www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471

Because the vaccine is not 100% effective.

And because many of the people in hospital don't fall into the "vulnerable" category.

Does seem a little strange that now the vunerable have been boosted with vacination why there should be high hospital numbers

Common sense and encouraging words from Chris Whitty. (of course!)

news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-professor-chris-whitty-to-be-questioned-by-mps-on-omicron-as-a-million-could-be-isolating-with-covid-on-christmas-day-12469075?postid=3116651#liveblog-body

I find it interesting the headline is about warnings and huge numbers being admitted to hospital, while the content is a lot more informative. And encouraging.

We have got to learn to live with omicron, it will continue to mutate as does the flu virus. Get vaccinated and let’s get on with normality now.

I’m just pondering that the UK isn’t known for over reacting, more the other way round. Usually stoically and slowly reacts to most things.

Oh sorry, it IS a click on link!!

@Dickens; this was posted earlier today. It's a copy and paste 'link', to avoid the risk of direct clicking on links. I so wish I could post on here all the conversations on the profile I have been following; there is just so much like this!

www.bitchute.com/video/X6zCggwb6Z89/

I've just put this on another thread. The Labour Party supported the introduction of the Covid Passes, which may or may be be effective.

Nearly everybody supported all the the other mitigation measures that were up for vote, irrespective of what party they were in.

usuallyright

Do you not think that it is the people of the UK who are not getting their jabs, who are overreacting and putting the whole UK at risk with their mindless actions.

The only people who seem to be griping, are the opposition and anti-Brexiteers, who might like to check the values of the British Pound against the Euro, since leaving the unelected Euro commission behind. End of my gripe.

If you watch parliament today I think you’ll find that a lot of decent Conservative MP’s are concerned about the way government covid policy is being governed by the PM having to abide by what the 22committee lot want him to do. And, in case you didn’t notice, it was Keir and Labour that enabled the introduction of measures to safeguard us. He could go all out for a vote if no confidence in the PM but, instead is putting our safety first.

Mollygo

Regarding the post title, do you think France is overreacting to Omicron by banning UK citizens?

I think all governments - including our own - are trying, with various degrees of success, basically to stop the spread.

And to some extent all of them - including our own again - will be damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

Has France over-reacted? Difficult to say, they don't know much more than we do. Did we over-react to the SA doctor's information - again, and in spite of my view of Johnson - difficult to state we did or didn't. I mean, what else could the government have done other than ban flights from the most affected countries?

Dickens We're going to be invaded by robotic cyber-newts, who will be armed and instructed to shoot anybody who tries to disobey the Fat Controller's orders.

Regarding the post title, do you think France is overreacting to Omicron by banning UK citizens?

Brave New World ???

choughdancer

What I see from my daily dip into conspiracy theory land (mixed metaphor; sorry!), is that the lying, self-justifying, awarding contracts to mates/donors, popularity seeking, et al by this government gives the conspiracy theorists ample evidence for distrusting the measures taken, and for trying to influence people against vaccination. They then dismiss the scientific experts advising the government and pile on the story of the great takeover due to come. If there had not been the ridiculous protecting of MPs, staff (MH, DC etc.) who had broken the 'rules'; BJ not wearing a mask where everyone else has to; the saga of the Christmas parties; I think there would not be such a large number of people rejecting vaccines. The people in the part of the conspiracy pool that I dip into are absolutely furious with the majority of people who take the vaccine, wear masks, socially distance. They say that only they are standing up strongly to prevent the great reset, the country turning into a version of Nazi Germany, and that we are just blindly letting it happen. 'Can they not see it yet?' they say; 'how will they explain to their children that they didn't stand up for their freedom?' they say. Meanwhile they are standing up for everyone's rights so bravely by ....... not wearing masks, not taking tests, not being vaccinated! Far from feeling guilty or selfish, they accuse the 'jabbed' of being selfish! And the misinformation they transmit convinces a wider audience.

... what actually is this great reset that these loons are on about?

I thought it was a World Economic Forum summit for a more fair and equitable future?

Why do they think governments want to protect people from a virus that is damaging economies around the globe? What do they think governments are actually going to do once we've all been jabbed?

I just don't get their argument, nor the comparisons with Nazi Germany.

Can someone tell me what I'm missing? I thought this was a public health issue - but apparently the government are using it to "control" us. So what are they going to do once we are all 'controlled' and jabbed?